Credibility and morals of the Catholic Church

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Liverbirdie said:
If this thread is mainly based on child abuse claims, I think it needs to be looked at in two ways.

The catholic church has a lot to be embarassed about over the centuries, so does the Britsh empire, so does Islam, so does the protestant church. I am a catholic, but I think I can discuss this sensibly, can others?

Some people will always look to bash the catholic church at any opportunity.

It is a very fair point to ask, has the catholic church covered up and harboured paedophiles - no doubt.

Has the BBC, Government, local councils, youth organisations also done this - no doubt.

To say that the catholic church alone has done this is wrong. However, the catholic church more than the others has a moral obligation to expose these people, but to say that they are the only ones is patently wrong.

Credibility - not all of the church indulges in this horrendous behaviour, and they should be rooted out. It should not change the message to catholics, but the medium it is done through should be more tightly policed.

Oh yes, and dont forget the catholic church also does a lot of good things.
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I would tend to agree with everything that has been posted here. In starting this thread I wanted to stimulate a couple of responses and you have started the ball rolling. What I can't understand is a church organisation going out of its way to cover up and hush and deny only to have to back down again. This is why I question the credibility of the organisation and wonder if it can ever recover or be trusted.

Thoughts?
 
thecraw said:
This is why I question the credibility of the organisation and wonder if it can ever recover or be trusted.

Thoughts?
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I don't think it can ever recover which IMO may not be an entirely bad thing. There are reports of a parish over here standing up to a priest and basically hounding him out all because of the way he was acting (I don't know the full story), now 10 years ago I don't think that would have happened as the word of the catholic church and priests was basically the law. It shows a distinct change in attitudes towards the clergy and church.
 
thecraw said:
I would tend to agree with everything that has been posted here. In starting this thread I wanted to stimulate a couple of responses and you have started the ball rolling. What I can't understand is a church organisation going out of its way to cover up and hush and deny only to have to back down again. This is why I question the credibility of the organisation and wonder if it can ever recover or be trusted.

Thoughts?
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I'll flip this to you, does the UK police force still have credibility despite it's cover ups?

I believe the Catholic Church is wrong to cover anything up but believe it will recover in time. Credibility is in the eye of the beholder, if people do not think the church is credible then they will leave and stop going and abandon their faith, I don't think this will happen en masse.
 
I think the credibility of the catholic church will be damaged, but it wont stop people "believing" - you either do or you dont.

It would be interesting to see if Islam/protestant church/hindu temples etc have also been covering up this despicable behaviour. It has been done by all levels of society,creeds,colours. It is a human/society problem. Yes. more than most any religious overseer should be rooting it out, but we all should.

I can imagine in Scotland that this subject is more of a hot potato, due to the schism in Scottish everyday life. Not so much down here, as catholics are in the minority. Again, probably more to to do with peoples bigger "agendas".

I think the catholic church will carry on. I think society will carry on. Hopefully, the bravery of this and the last generation will help it to not ever become "institutionalised" again, but it will always happen.
 
They may have been covering up for years but thier issue now is how easy news spreads. Not quiet as big an issue in the past. The information age will destroy the organization if they dont adjust. I wouldnt be surprised if there is even more to come out.
 
Valentino said:
I'll flip this to you, does the UK police force still have credibility despite it's cover ups?

I believe the Catholic Church is wrong to cover anything up but believe it will recover in time. Credibility is in the eye of the beholder, if people do not think the church is credible then they will leave and stop going and abandon their faith, I don't think this will happen en masse.
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It's a good point, we only have one option as a police force though. Probably required, as otherwise there would be chaos.

There are many religions, not that people necessarily swap though. It is also decreed from on high (our parents). :)
 
It's quite clear that we were wrong over the years to trust

Church people
Mp's
Bankers
Food producers
All financial institutes
Police

Please feel free to add your own to this list!
 
Valentino said:
I'll flip this to you, does the UK police force still have credibility despite it's cover ups?

I believe the Catholic Church is wrong to cover anything up but believe it will recover in time. Credibility is in the eye of the beholder, if people do not think the church is credible then they will leave and stop going and abandon their faith, I don't think this will happen en masse.
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So in order to detract from what you find offensive you try and become personal? Thought you were bigger than that!

Feel free to start another thread and we can all discuss the Hillsborough tragedy and others that you feel the need to air. No skin off my nose.
 
thecraw said:
So in order to detract from what you find offensive you try and become personal? Thought you were bigger than that!

Feel free to start another thread and we can all discuss the Hillsborough tragedy and others that you feel the need to air. No skin off my nose.
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Valid point Crawford.You can start a thread asking valid questions about peoples religion but not about organisations that folk work for then,is that how it works?
 
Dodger said:
Valid point Crawford.You can start a thread asking valid questions about peoples religion but not about organisations that folk work for then,is that how it works?
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Is my reply not clear enough for you to understand?
 
thecraw said:
So in order to detract from what you find offensive you try and become personal? Thought you were bigger than that!

Feel free to start another thread and we can all discuss the Hillsborough tragedy and others that you feel the need to air. No skin off my nose.
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ach you know that want a personal attack, it does detract slightly from the oringinal post.
what is true that in ALL walks of life there are bad folk.
bad priests, bad cops, docters that take drugs etc all been in the papers.

me i was brought up a catholic, saint this primary saint that secondary,church every sunday but i had made my mind up in primary 6 that it wasnt for me. had to go along with it a few more years till my mum stopped giving me grief.
i dont believe in God but i do understand why some do thats their choice .
 
thecraw said:
Just wondering on everyone's thoughts of how the Catholic Church can ever recover from this latest sex scandal by Cardinal O'Brien.

There seems to be a horrendous history of cover up after cover up. Add in the lies and deceit over the years including Cardinal O'Brien's initial statement saying it was all lies and he would contest the allegations to suddenly admitting his behaviour had "fallen beneath the standards expected of me!"

Absolute hypocrisy of the highest order coming from within.


Discuss and try to keep it civil. This is a hot potato in the news up here and I would also guess throughout the world by now.
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you are aware that being catholic you get away with doing bad things. cos aslong as you ask for forgiveness God will forgive you.
 
bigslice said:
you are aware that being catholic you get away with doing bad things. cos aslong as you ask for forgiveness God will forgive you.
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Therefore it stinks of hypocrisy. Is that what your agreeing too?
 
Dodger said:
Mustn't be.

Val asked if the Police still had credibility despite it's numerous cover ups which for me is a valid question to anyone is it not?
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A simple reply for you to understand. Start a thread and ask the question and if I can contribute I will. Very simple. Do you understand that reply?
 
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