Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Ethan]

I assume that each year, universities make offers to more people than there are places available, knowing that based on marking systems and predictable percentage pass rates, there will not be an oversupply of successful candidates. Like airlines overbooking to allow for no shows. But we know teacher assessments are higher than actual exam scores, so that is the same as more passengers turning up.

This year that system has been thrown out of the window. France have seen this coming and announced an increase in Uni places but some courses just can't do that due to lecture or tutor space or the need to provide specific training, e.g. medical students and hospital attachments.

The UK is going to have to do the same as France, isn't it?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Only fair way to make it happen

Thankfully it's happened now

 

[pendodave]

And yet another U-turn...what an utter shambles and still further evidence of a completely incompetent government.

Williamson is responsible for Ofqual - if he didn't know of the furore that was likely then why not? If he did know of the likely furore then why did he let it happen? - then double down on his decision when the issue exploded. And then - along with his boss- he told us that the Sturgeon's Scottish U-turn was WRONG and not right for England. And that's what they are now doing. Honest to god.

And as usual - no personal apology yet from Williamson. Oh he's sorry for the upset that has come about - but nothing in respect of any notion of taking responsibility. In the end he is totally responsible - he is the Education Secretary. He should resign - but most probably he won't such is the level of arrogance of too many in this government.

Its been "government" by sticking a finger in the air to see which way the wind's blowing since February.
The only thing they've held a position on is Cummings.
Hey ho...

 

[pendodave]

Only fair way to make it happen

Thankfully it's happened now

Thankfully it might have been best if it happened BEFORE the s***show, rather than after....

 

[Foxholer]

Simply the common-sense thing to do! Though it passes the buck somewhat to Universities, who were, no doubt, expecting some sort of reduction in numbers from 'the usual' downgrading resulting from actual exam results.

Shows a complete lack of common sense by Government, imo, as they had already had the warning from Scotland of the sort of s...-storm they were letting themselves in for! Whether it will work out for those 'on the cusp' is a different matter, but it certainly gives them an opportunity to continue in education for the next year and re-assess their prospects, hopefully by when this pandemic is 'beaten'!

But an embarrassing and totally avoidable about face all the same! With a surprising lack of common-sense leadership demonstrated!

 

[pendodave]

With a surprising lack of common-sense leadership demonstrated!

Really????
If anyone's surprised, they really haven't been paying attention.
(Apologies if this was written using the 'extreme irony' font).

 

[Old Skier]

And yet another U-turn...what an utter shambles and still further evidence of a completely incompetent government.

Williamson is responsible for Ofqual - if he didn't know of the furore that was likely then why not? If he did know of the likely furore then why did he let it happen? - then double down on his decision when the issue exploded. And then - along with his boss- he told us that the Sturgeon's Scottish U-turn was WRONG and not right for England. And that's what they are now doing. Honest to god.

And as usual - no personal apology yet from Williamson. Oh he's sorry for the upset that has come about - but nothing in respect of any notion of taking responsibility. In the end he is totally responsible - he is the Education Secretary. He should resign - but most probably he won't such is the level of arrogance of too many in this government.

I presume by your post you are including all 4 governments of incompetence as they all came to the same U Turn or is this a selective incompetence.

 

[Ethan]

I presume by your post you are including all 4 governments of incompetence as they all came to the same U Turn or is this a selective incompetence.

NI did not do the moderation thing. My niece over there was happy with her teacher-assessed grades which will get her into her chosen Uni.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I presume by your post you are including all 4 governments of incompetence as they all came to the same U Turn or is this a selective incompetence.

I'm talking about this government....no other government - this one. A government that had seen what had happened in Scotland and what Sturgeon had to do - (she said she was sorry) but continued to insist on their way. And yet Johnson and Williamson doubled down...talking up a system that Johnson called a 'robust and dependable' system. So what you think? Just for a change how about addressing yet another abject failure of this government.

 

[Old Skier]

NI did not do the moderation thing. My niece over there was happy with her teacher-assessed grades which will get her into her chosen Uni.

NI only originally said teachers assessment would only count on GCSE results because most A level papers were set by English exams boards, they did there Albert Turner on A levels at the same time as the UK Government as just reported on BBC.

 

[Old Skier]

I'm talking about this government....no other government - this one. A government that had seen what had happened in Scotland and what Sturgeon had to do - (she said she was sorry) but continued to insist on their way. And yet Johnson and Williamson doubled down...talking up a system that Johnson called a 'robust and dependable' system. So what you think? Just for a change how about addressing yet another abject failure of this government.

Ive got, it’s fine for the devolved government to U Turn but not this one, or are you just being your normal hypercritical self.

 

[Ethan]

I'm talking about this government....no other government - this one. A government that had seen what had happened in Scotland and what Sturgeon had to do - (she said she was sorry) but continued to insist on their way. And yet Johnson and Williamson doubled down...talking up a system that Johnson called a 'robust and dependable' system. So what you think? Just for a change how about addressing yet another abject failure of this government.

It is OK for Govt's to get stuff wrong provided they had been making a good faith effort to do it right. It's those unknown unknown that usually get them. But if they do get it wrong, they should admit as much and fix it. It is the pressing on and doubling down that really pisses off people. On Covid, for example, if the Govt said, "look we got some of this wrong. To make sure we get it right, we are going to involve a braider group of experts, including [some currently independent voices].", then I think that would bring a lot of people on board. But that is not the modern political style.

 

[Ethan]

NI only originally said teachers assessment would only count on GCSE results because most A level papers were set by English exams boards, they did there Albert Turner on A levels at the same time as the UK Government as just reported on BBC.

You are correct.

 

[pendodave]

I was thinking that the blue rince cohortes praetoriae were a little slow off the mark this afternoon...
Maybe they have a sense of shame after all? Who knew...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm talking about this government....no other government - this one. A government that had seen what had happened in Scotland and what Sturgeon had to do - (she said she was sorry) but continued to insist on their way. And yet Johnson and Williamson doubled down...talking up a system that Johnson called a 'robust and dependable' system. So what you think? Just for a change how about addressing yet another abject failure of this government.

Lots of Scottish Unionists desperately deleting any social media Wee Krankie guff they have been spouting for the last fortnight.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Looks to me like a few people will be having humble pie for Tea.

Good to see Teachers graded being trusted.

 

[Old Skier]

Looks to me like a few people will be having humble pie for Tea.

Good to see Teachers graded being trusted.

But what will happen with those who disagreed with their teacher’s assessment or as a result ended up with a lover grade.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But what will happen with those who disagreed with their teacher’s assessment or as a result ended up with a lover grade.

That’s another “cop out” williamson said those who’d been given a higher grade by the algothrim will be allowed to keep the higher grade!

Absolute shambles!

 

[Old Skier]

That’s another “cop out” williamson said those who’d been given a higher grade by the algothrim will be allowed to keep the higher grade!

Absolute shambles!

Jess Phillips is now suggesting that next year’s students should be graded by their teachers.

 

[Beezerk]

Jess Phillips is now suggesting that next year’s students should be graded by their teachers.

She would!