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Friend playing with last night is having to cancel a holiday to Spain. Why? Because they are going to Guernsey (F-i-L 80th birthday) within a couple of days of their planned return from Spain. But as they would have to be in quarantine for two weeks after returning from Spain they wouldn't be able to travel to Guernsey. So Spain is having to be cancelled.
Fair enough.
 
The original response was in relation to comparing NZ to the UK. The exact size of the region of Liverpool and/or Manchester does not change the basic incompatibility of NZ and UK.

It doesn’t but that wasn’t the issue. You posting inaccurate information in an attempt to prove a point was.
 
Bit of a pain but he is pragmatic about it. He does not have long before he has to do the cancelling. He did tell his wife to not book the holiday in Guernsey given the risk of quarantine, but she insisted - it had to be booked for her Dad...ah well.
It isn't a risk. It's a fact. Didn't he tell his wife that and insist that sense prevail?
 
It doesn’t but that wasn’t the issue. You posting inaccurate information in an attempt to prove a point was.

It's a golf forum - it was not a scientific research paper set on 'proving' twas merely illustrating or suggesting a poor comparison. Shall we get back on topic?
 
One or two lost souls on here seem to think that countries the size of NZ, Denmark, Scotland, Norway etc are little more than County Councils.;):love:

... United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while New Zealand is approximately 268,838 sq km, making New Zealand 10% larger than United Kingdom. Norway is approximately 323,802 sq km, making Norway 33% larger than United Kingdom.

I assume they mean smaller population. but lets not facts get in the way of a good story
 
?? BBC NEWS REPORT??
With highs of 33° expected AGAIN today, it's time to ask "could the government have done more?" Downing Street knew about this heatwave weeks ago and have done nothing. Shipments of 400,000 pairs of Speedos and 500,000 bikinis, sun cream and Cornettos have reportedly been sent back as unsafe after media claims the shipment was quarantined a month ago and Boris did nothing.
Karen from Chavington said, "We just don't know if it's safe to go outside and sunbathe because we can't function or think for ourselves. Boris hasn't told us either way and all my obese kids need ice cream and sweets, the Hubby can't get out to rob anyone so we're out of lager and weed, I blame the government entirely"
Meanwhile, anti- heat protesters dressed in thick jumpers chanting "cold lives matter" have marched on London, Big Ben has been removed and a giant Mint Feast put in its place by protesters.
The BBC reported earlier, 'clearly the sun has come out and Downing street have done nothing to prevent it.'
A second heat Wave is expected to hit the UK in 4 weeks time
 
... United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while New Zealand is approximately 268,838 sq km, making New Zealand 10% larger than United Kingdom. Norway is approximately 323,802 sq km, making Norway 33% larger than United Kingdom.

I assume they mean smaller population. but lets not facts get in the way of a good story

NW 18 per sq km
UK 247 per sq km (England 427).
 
It isn't a risk. It's a fact. Didn't he tell his wife that and insist that sense prevail?
I don't know when she booked the holiday - it may have been BEFORE the quarantine on returning from Spain was announced but when quarantines were known to be likely. In my post I gave his Mrs the benefit of the doubt. He did try and persuade his wife - but she wasn't having it - the Guernsey holiday had to be booked and if they had to cancel Spain then so be it...
 
?? BBC NEWS REPORT??
With highs of 33° expected AGAIN today, it's time to ask "could the government have done more?" Downing Street knew about this heatwave weeks ago and have done nothing. Shipments of 400,000 pairs of Speedos and 500,000 bikinis, sun cream and Cornettos have reportedly been sent back as unsafe after media claims the shipment was quarantined a month ago and Boris did nothing.

Maskini :)

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The Daily Mail front page - Johnson and Williamson - Dunces. That and other newspapers - shambles, fiasco...

Even Ferrari on LBC got irritatated yesterday morning with Williamson...

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-williamson-u-turn-after-six-seconds-alevels/

In truth - I really don't know why the issue on overgrading seems so significant for Williamson. Surely it's not the letter that matters it's the ability of the student behind it. When a student gets into uni on the basis of a set of grades they will cope according to their inherent ability and aptitude - not the fact that they got there with an A that maybe in past years would have been a B.

They had 4 months to think about what to do if no exams sat - they had plenty of time to 'game' the various scenarios once they weren't - and they change their minds with 36hrs to go. Brilliant. As the DM said - What a load of dunces.
 
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... United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while New Zealand is approximately 268,838 sq km, making New Zealand 10% larger than United Kingdom. Norway is approximately 323,802 sq km, making Norway 33% larger than United Kingdom.

I assume they mean smaller population. but lets not facts get in the way of a good story
The only mention I can see refers to population density, I dont believe anyone has used country size when referring to Covid numbers. Let's not let facts get in the way of running ourselves down.
 
The only mention I can see refers to population density, I dont believe anyone has used country size when referring to Covid numbers. Let's not let facts get in the way of running ourselves down.

Lets try using relevant facts, though. Population density is a rather simplistic measure used for rather simplistic dismissals of data.
 
Lets try using relevant facts, though. Population density is a rather simplistic measure used for rather simplistic dismissals of data.
Do you suggest that a countries area is a complex measure for complex support of data ?

Rather than population density being used to dismiss data it has been used to support data.
 
Do you suggest that a countries area is a complex measure for complex support of data ?

I don't even know what that means. Let me copy and paste in into Google Translate. Hang on ..... sorry, it is coming up as nonsense.

If there are spaces in a country where very few people live, that space is irrelevant to the transmissibility of the disease. No people, no transmission. Some countries have lots of such space which massively reduce the average population density of the country but which are irrelevant to the risk. Canada, Russia, Sweden, Norway, Finland all have a very high percentage of their population concentrated in urban centres and then huge areas of barely populated land. Using pollution density or area for the whole country is incredibly stupid.

If the UK took over Greenland, towed the island over and attached it to Scotland, the land mass of the UK would increase by 10 or 20x, and population density fall by the same proportion, at a stroke. The risk of Covid would be unchanged.

Read this: Population density

Let's put it another way. In comparing different countries, you are really just comparing populated areas. Forget about the empty bits which don't matter. The behaviour of the disease in populated areas is much more similar between countries than many would like to acknowledge, and Govt public health action makes a huge difference.
 
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The Daily Mail front page - Johnson and Williamson - Dunces. That and other newspapers - shambles, fiasco...

Even Ferrari on LBC got irritatated yesterday morning with Williamson...

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-williamson-u-turn-after-six-seconds-alevels/

In truth - I really don't know why the issue on overgrading seems so significant for Williamson. Surely it's not the letter that matters it's the ability of the student behind it. When a student gets into uni on the basis of a set of grades they will cope according to their inherent ability and aptitude - not the fact that they got there with an A that maybe in past years would have been a B.

They had 4 months to think about what to do if no exams sat - they had plenty of time to 'game' the various scenarios once they weren't - and they change their minds with 36hrs to go. Brilliant. As the DM said - What a load of dunces.

They went into panic mode in support of Baroness Uturn and the Scottish Tories.:love: I assume. to show consistency, they will now call for the head of Williamson.

Swinney saying that the initial Scottish results were fair, I tend to agree with him.
 
... United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while New Zealand is approximately 268,838 sq km, making New Zealand 10% larger than United Kingdom. Norway is approximately 323,802 sq km, making Norway 33% larger than United Kingdom.

I assume they mean smaller population. but lets not facts get in the way of a good story
Yes SIZE of population.(y)
Lets not start twisting things to suit the agenda and get in the way of a bad bad story.;):love:(y)
Pretty big County Councils by size though.
 
Population density of the two capitals, just as an example(yeah I appreciate London is massive and really populated when compared to the rest of the UK but still, just goes to show a point) :-

London 5701
Wellington 2300

Population of London 9,000,000
Population of Wellington 212,700 Population of the WHOLE of NZ is 5,000,000:LOL:

Nice to compare real basics and lets not even consider the differences in economies and make up of trade and movements of numbers of people. EDIT Or how you enacted NZ policies, how you would possibly scale them up to millions more people overnight.... Worthless comparison IMHO.

A better comparison would be with a country like Germany, a far more interesting comparison...….
 
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