Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Swinglowandslow]

I’d take any vaccine from Russia to Canada, just not something that’s been rushed with 0 years data.
I’ll let others be the guinea pig. I’m contempt with getting Covid but I don’t fancy some unknown side defect.

Of course, they've just popped one out of the cupboard. All these countries are doing that, aren't they?
They haven't done any research, trials, even more trials etc, worked night and day etc.
They just want to put stuff in you , to control you, and make you a zombie in 5 years time so you will do everything they say!?

I'm no expert, but I understand that unless a significant number have the vaccine, the disease will live on and possibly flourish.
There may come a time when results show it works if you take it, but is not eradicated ( a la smallpox) unless enough do.
In that circumstance, would you not feel you are contributing to Covid deaths by "claiming your human right not to have it?"
And would you bleat if you were forced to have it?

Perhaps you could be given an option? Have the vaccine and live in an (almost) free of Covid country. --- or leave.

 

[Jamesbrown]

If you have a vaccine you’ll be fine, it’s the ones with out the vaccine that may die.
I’m not prepared to have a rushed out vaccine for a storm in a teacup virus that statistically I won’t die of and have more chances of getting some side effect that I’ll probably get no compensation for.
I’m willing to have the vaccine. Just not immediately after being rolled out. That’d be the same for any vaccine, cancer, heart disease. You name it.

 

[Ethan]

It might be an idea to read the full sentence and think.

I guess you're too intent on a put down.

No point in replying to your posts. Have fun.

Great. We finally agree on something. Feel free not to reply to this, but you telling me that it might be an idea to read the full sentence and think - Brasso is good for that neck.

 

[Ethan]

If you have a vaccine you’ll be fine, it’s the ones with out the vaccine that may die.
I’m not prepared to have a rushed out vaccine for a storm in a teacup virus that statistically I won’t die of and have more chances of getting some side effect that I’ll probably get no compensation for.
I’m willing to have the vaccine. Just not immediately after being rolled out. That’d be the same for any vaccine, cancer, heart disease. You name it.

If they publish the data, including the mechanism of action for the vaccine, data on antibody response and infection rates in treated vs controls, safety data, and make some available for analysis in a reliable UK, EU or US centre, then the world should look at it with an open mind. I assume this is a conventional old-fashioned (but nothing wrong with that) vaccine which targets part of the protein coat rather than a newer RNA type vaccine. It is perfectly possible they saved a lot of time by cutting through bureaucracy, but other more troubling short cuts are available too.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

If they publish the data, including the mechanism of action for the vaccine, data on antibody response and infection rates in treated vs controls, safety data, and make some available for analysis in a reliable UK, EU or US centre, then the world should look at it with an open mind. I assume this is a conventional old-fashioned (but nothing wrong with that) vaccine which targets part of the protein coat rather than a newer RNA type vaccine. It is perfectly possible they saved a lot of time by cutting through bureaucracy, but other more troubling short cuts are available too.

They probably scavenged the IP of a number of different projects around the world through hacks

 

[Ethan]

They probably scavenged the IP of a number of different projects around the world through hacks

Very possibly, although to be honest if they used good IP, makes it more possible it is effective.

I remember a few years ago, the company I worked for produced a new chemical intended to be the basis for a medicine. The design was published in a chemistry journal as was the usual practice. About 8 weeks later, we got an email from a company in China saying they had made the chemical, were able to make it in kg quantities (quite a lot) and asked if we wanted to buy some.

 

[User62651]

If you have a vaccine you’ll be fine, it’s the ones with out the vaccine that may die.
I’m not prepared to have a rushed out vaccine for a storm in a teacup virus that statistically I won’t die of and have more chances of getting some side effect that I’ll probably get no compensation for.
I’m willing to have the vaccine. Just not immediately after being rolled out. That’d be the same for any vaccine, cancer, heart disease. You name it.

Hmmm......reminds me very much of a certain blonde haired reality-denier living in Downing Street back in February/March.

Half a million deaths (we know of) and a lot more very sick people in a little over half a year is not be sniffed at. The virus can kill (not just old people), is resilient and hard to kill and may or may not mutate further to more serious strains.

 

[Hobbit]

What was the worst death toll, apart from Spanish flu, that hit its number in just over 2 years? 641,000. What's the current death toll for CV-19? 741,000 in less than 8 months. Imagine what that number would have been if there hadn't been some very aggressive lockdowns in a number of countries!! How many died in a little city called Bergamo? 16,000+. Ask Italian Outcast what Bergamo was like at the height of the first outbreak there.

And here in Southern Spain the ICU in Almeria city hospital is full, AGAIN.

Seriously, all you deniers needs to go and find a CV-19 patient and have a good sniff of the air they are breathing. If you survive, great. If you don't, well you asked for it by being Darwin's prime examples of knuckle draggers.

 

[Jamesbrown]

What was the worst death toll, apart from Spanish flu, that hit its number in just over 2 years? 641,000. What's the current death toll for CV-19? 741,000 in less than 8 months. Imagine what that number would have been if there hadn't been some very aggressive lockdowns in a number of countries!! How many died in a little city called Bergamo? 16,000+. Ask Italian Outcast what Bergamo was like at the height of the first outbreak there.

And here in Southern Spain the ICU in Almeria city hospital is full, AGAIN.

Seriously, all you deniers needs to go and find a CV-19 patient and have a good sniff of the air they are breathing. If you survive, great. If you don't, well you asked for it by being Darwin's prime examples of knuckle draggers.

I’d check your numbers on the little city. I think your quoting the figures for the region Bergamo is in - Lombardy which has a population of 10mil. So 0.16% of the population of Lombardy died.

I’m not a denier, the virus is there, and I’ve probably already had it. (Would be interesting to find out) There’s just more troubling things to worry about. I just look at the odds, and they are in most peoples favour. Including mine. Unfortunately the media have blown it out of proportion, driven fear and if it wasn’t reported you wouldn’t even know it existed.

 

[Hobbit]

I’d check your numbers on the little city. I think your quoting the figures for the region Bergamo is in - Lombardy which has a population of 10mil. So 0.16% of the population of Lombardy died.

I’m not a denier, the virus is there, and I’ve probably already had it. (Would be interesting to find out) There’s just more troubling things to worry about. I just look at the odds, and they are in most peoples favour. Including mine. Unfortunately the media have blown it out of proportion, driven fear and if it wasn’t reported you wouldn’t even know it existed.

That's your choice, and good luck. You have your interpretation and I have mine. We all have our own views on what we'll accept. The virus will have up to 6 ripples(spikes) of varying degrees. Hopefully neither of us will be in one. But I wonder what those numbers would have been without lockdown? What was the R=number at the point of lockdown and how does it extrapolate out if there hadn't been a lockdown?

BTW, have a look at the UK's worst flu deaths numbers, excluding Covid, and where the numbers stand now. As much as we could all add a little spin to those numbers, and their time frame, the numbers are hard facts.

 

[Foxholer]

Comparing the UK with NZ (a population less than Scotland, and almost the same as Manchester) is simply just not valid and is just silly

More people commute in and out of London daily than live in NZ. The UK is an international transit hub, NZ is not. the health policies and logistic challenges for a population of 4.6mill. is vastly different to that of 70mill. Closing the UK borders 'overnight' without reasonable notice was impossible given the numbers of people in transit and the economic consequences.

While I agree with the gist of your post, the (bold) numbers you use for comparison, particularly the 'Manchester' one are so seriously wrong, it indicates unwarranted exaggeration!
FWIW. NZ has always been prepared to 'close its borders "overnight"' in order to protect its, primarily agricultural/farming economy from the likes of Foot and Mouth disease.
Oh! And just noticed Auckland is back in lockdown after new cases - demonstrating how even 'the best' response is not perfect!

 

[drdel]

While I agree with the gist of your post, the (bold) numbers you use for comparison, particularly the 'Manchester' one are so seriously wrong, it indicates unwarranted exaggeration!
FWIW. NZ has always been prepared to 'close its borders "overnight"' in order to protect its, primarily agricultural/farming economy from the likes of Foot and Mouth disease.
Oh! And just noticed Auckland is back in lockdown after new cases - demonstrating how even 'the best' response is not perfect!

You're right a bit disingenuous I agree: better add Liverpool (1.9m) to Manchester (2.9m).

 

[Deleted member 18588]

You're right a bit disingenuous I agree: better add Liverpool (1.9m) to Manchester (2.9m).

Should have quoted West Midlands Metropolitan Zone i.e. Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Coventry, Sandwell, Walsall and Dudley, and Solihull.

Population 5.8 million.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Swinney done a complete U turn on Scottish exam results..........not fair for about 60,000 kids now turns into not fair for generations of kids. IMO

There is an emotional standard in his decision in that kids should not be disadvantaged by covid.
Employers/Universities will now look sceptically at candidates with 2020 results.

England you have this coming to you, be warned.

Update....Flippin hilarious ....BBC Scotland now critical of Swinney for making exam results too easy.
Make up your minds you idiots,

 

[AmandaJR]

Can anyone answer if Portugal has always been a country which required 14 days self isolation on return?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Can anyone answer if Portugal has always been a country which required 14 days self isolation on return?

I believe since this ruling was brought in they have always been on the list. Much to their annoyance.

Have you got a holiday booked to go there.

 

[Foxholer]

Can anyone answer if Portugal has always been a country which required 14 days self isolation on return?

Yes... No!

But that hasn't stopped a work colleague returning from Madiera (Portuguese) ignoring the 14 days self isolation demand and returning to work the day after he, eventually, made it 'home'. And I believe it was more than a coincidence that a Polish workmate who HAD been self-isolating after returning from Poland (caught by the announcement made while he was away!) returned the day after!

 

[AmandaJR]

Thanks guys. My dentist is Portugese and they cancelled my appointment today claiming he was having to self-isolate as he travelled to Portugal and whilst there the rules were changed.

Lying gits!

Edit - or are they...the ruling is only a couple of weeks old? Prior to that it wasn't required??

 

[Ethan]

You do need to quarantine when coming back from Portugal. Your dentist is right, Foxholer's work colleague is wrong and should be sent home by his employer. There is word that the rules may be relaxed soon, but still in place for now.

 

[AmandaJR]

You do need to quarantine when coming back from Portugal. Your dentist is right, Foxholer's work colleague is wrong and should be sent home by his employer. There is word that the rules may be relaxed soon, but still in place for now.

They stated the rule changed after he'd travelled there which I think is a fib?