Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[Deleted member 27823]

Oh obtuse....

Then she should work on health policy, within her limited powers. Hardly knocked that out of the park.

No matter how much she and DFT want to be independent, Scotland isn't. Sadiq Khan runs an area with more people and higher GDP should he get to decide foreign policy too? She doesn't have to deal with the consequences of closing Scotland's important tourist sector the government does, the British people will pay for it.


We are British. I hated the petulant small brother mentality of some Scots when I lived there, whenever I go back up and the vocal minority on the internet. You can't just be the loudest voice in the room or sew dissent and get your way.



Totally! However NS has said it's the "shambolic decision making process" rather than the list itself.

While I can agree with your point on the attitude of some of my countryfolk I think you are overreacting. Deciding who does and doesn't have to self-isolate in Scotland is well within the scottish government's powers. Passing comment on the performance of the UK Government on non-devolved matters is also more than reasonable. And while they are often very far wide of the mark with those comments I don't think much they've said about the uk govt's coronavirus response has been too far wrong. It certainly has been pretty shambolic at times.

I'm afraid that Scottish independence is now a racing certainty, and I write that as someone who will still vote against it. Too many of us will look at our respective leaders and want nothing to do with the buffoon in Downing street while forgetting that they are both only there for a moment in time. It's a perfect storm that the SNP will exploit to the fullest.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

This is shocking if found to be correct!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1279311067785633793

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I agree and much prefer this one.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272948786093010945

Clearly you are a bigger fan of schoolboy humour than I am.

 

[Hobbit]

What...…...research them all in less than an hour......….

So you can’t support your original statement... guess your just jumping on the shambolic statement

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So you can’t support your original statement... guess your just jumping on the shambolic statement

It is all over the non Unionist free Scottish press.

 

[Old Skier]

It is all over the non Unionist free Scottish press.

Did the biased press forget, like the first minister that one of yours was part of the shambolic decision making meeting

 

[Backache]

Oh obtuse....

Then she should work on health policy, within her limited powers. Hardly knocked that out of the park.

No matter how much she and DFT want to be independent, Scotland isn't. Sadiq Khan runs an area with more people and higher GDP should he get to decide foreign policy too? She doesn't have to deal with the consequences of closing Scotland's important tourist sector the government does, the British people will pay for it.


We are British. I hated the petulant small brother mentality of some Scots when I lived there, whenever I go back up and the vocal minority on the internet. You can't just be the loudest voice in the room or sew dissent and get your way.



Totally! However NS has said it's the "shambolic decision making process" rather than the list itself.

I don't think the First Minister is deciding foreign policy.
The question is which countries can you return from without quarantine.
Quarantine is a public health issue, not foreign policy and is entirely within her remit.
To make things convenient it would be sensible to have the UK aligned on quarantine issues. It would appear from all the devolved administration's that Westminster has been chopping and changing at short notice without consultation.

 

[Hobbit]

It is all over the non Unionist free Scottish press.

So, as per your previous post, you’re clueless. Don’t you think your posts, without anything concrete, are rather “shambolic?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So, as per your previous post, you’re clueless. Don’t you think your posts, without anything concrete, are rather “shambolic?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-launches-air-bridges-22294609
There you go, just one click away.....and it's even the Daily Ranger as well. Happy now.

 

[User62651]

Very strong words from Independent Sage scientist chap, former chief scientific officer, on Sophie Ridge, no mincing of words. Saying UK Govt approach plain wrong, cannot restart economy whilst still 3000 new covid cases per day as that will cost thousands of lives. Reckons Ireland, NI, Scotland, Wales approach to really hammer covid first before significant easing is correct way forward.
'Zero covid UK' is the tagline.
Is he right? If so why is life seen as less important in England by this UK Govt?
If he is wrong, why is he wrong?
Are the pub opening scenes from yesterday not enough to confirm too many people will not socially distance or be responsible enough whilst the virus is still present at a significant level (ca. 3000 per day in England)?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So, as per your previous post, you’re clueless. Don’t you think your posts, without anything concrete, are rather “shambolic?

Not sure how shambolic things have been but also not sure what’s happened to the goverments traffic lighting system for travel. I assume the list of last week are all green. Not sure which countries are currently amber, unless all others are red. Is there a gov website that shows ambers and why. So for instance I am not sure If Portugal is an amber or a red as portugal seems to think it should be green. Just asking.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Is it just a rumour that the Tory councillors on the Borders Council want to change it's name to No Borders Council.

 

[Foxholer]

Very strong words from Independent Sage scientist chap, former chief scientific officer, on Sophie Ridge, no mincing of words. Saying UK Govt approach plain wrong, cannot restart economy whilst still 3000 new covid cases per day as that will cost thousands of lives. Reckons Ireland, NI, Scotland, Wales approach to really hammer covid first before significant easing is correct way forward.
'Zero covid UK' is the tagline.
Is he right? If so why is life seen as less important in England by this UK Govt?
If he is wrong, why is he wrong?
Are the pub opening scenes from yesterday not enough to confirm too many people will not socially distance or be responsible enough whilst the virus is still present at a significant level (ca. 3000 per day in England)?

It may be the fastest way to 'beat the virus' but it won't make it disappear. And the cost to rest of society is already pretty crippling. I'm not certain that now is the time to open up everything, but I certainly appreciate hairdressers being opened.
So a political decision, bearing 'the science' in mind, but also aware of the massive cost of not opening up.
I just hope folk are sensible. I work with one who, for all his excellent features, is likely to ignore all the rules/recommendations in his outing to his brother - and serious pub session - this weekend!

 

[bobmac]

cannot restart economy whilst still 3000 new covid cases per day as that will cost thousands of lives.
ca. 3000 per day in England

All the figures I've seen show 624 new cases yesterday in the UK

 

[User62651]

It may be the fastest way to 'beat the virus' but it won't make it disappear. And the cost to rest of society is already pretty crippling. I'm not certain that now is the time to open up everything, but I certainly appreciate hairdressers being opened.
So a political decision, bearing 'the science' in mind, but also aware of the massive cost of not opening up.
I just hope folk are sensible. I work with one who, for all his excellent features, is likely to ignore all the rules/recommendations in his outing to his brother - and serious pub session - this weekend!

Ok, just was fairly struck by use of the word 'immoral' that he used in ref to Govt policy.
Opening up is important but it comes over as premature when you see a body of experts make these claims. If you are slow or reluctant into lockdown, as we were, then not learning from that and coming out of the lockdown too quickly anyway is just repeating the same mistake. Case for and against all gets so clouded in left/right/nationalist politics in UK of course so there's rarely a sensible unbiased view. I dont think Independent Sage are a political body as such though.
Is it better to have one long strict lockdown or do it half hearted like we did, ease up too soon so potentially face several more shorter nationwide lockdowns, losing lives needlessly along the way? Not an easy call as there's no real precedent to follow but I'm happier with the ScotGov stand for us up here at present on it. IMO they were just as slow into the lockdown as UK Govt was but are being considerably more careful now, justifiably.

 

[User62651]

All the figures I've seen show 624 new cases yesterday in the UK

That's what was quoted on sky, I believe he is saying 3000 new infections, perhaps the 624 is what was actually tested as positive?

 

[Old Skier]

Ok, just was fairly struck by use of the word 'immoral' that he used in ref to Govt policy.
Opening up is important but it comes over as premature when you see a body of experts make these claims. If you are slow or reluctant into lockdown, as we were, then not learning from that and coming out of the lockdown too quickly anyway is just repeating the same mistake. Case for and against all gets so clouded in left/right/nationalist politics in UK of course so there's rarely a sensible unbiased view. I dont think Independent Sage are a political body as such though.
Is it better to have one long strict lockdown or do it half hearted like we did, ease up too soon so potentially face several more shorter nationwide lockdowns, losing lives needlessly along the way? Not an easy call as there's no real precedent to follow but I'm happier with the ScotGov stand for us up here at present on it. IMO they were just as slow into the lockdown as UK Govt was but are being considerably more careful now, justifiably.

Wouldn’t mind betting that by 12 July her travel policy will be exactly the same or have a week saving grace as the one being used by the UK Government in England.

 

[drdel]

Ok, just was fairly struck by use of the word 'immoral' that he used in ref to Govt policy.
Opening up is important but it comes over as premature when you see a body of experts make these claims. If you are slow or reluctant into lockdown, as we were, then not learning from that and coming out of the lockdown too quickly anyway is just repeating the same mistake. Case for and against all gets so clouded in left/right/nationalist politics in UK of course so there's rarely a sensible unbiased view. I dont think Independent Sage are a political body as such though.
Is it better to have one long strict lockdown or do it half hearted like we did, ease up too soon so potentially face several more shorter nationwide lockdowns, losing lives needlessly along the way? Not an easy call as there's no real precedent to follow but I'm happier with the ScotGov stand for us up here at present on it. IMO they were just as slow into the lockdown as UK Govt was but are being considerably more careful now, justifiably.

It's clear that large areas of the UK have the virus at very low levels. It is right that people who can work should be and the covid guidelines makes it relatively safe to do so.

Covid-19 is going to be around for a long time so it is unrealistic to freeze the economy any longer.

We have to manage the situation and stop people sitting back on furlough supported holiday and abusing the guidance. At least if they were in work they would be under controlled circumstances.

Remember SAGE is a large group with varying opinions. Some members of which like to flatter their egos.

 

[Foxholer]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-launches-air-bridges-22294609
There you go, just one click away.....and it's even the Daily Ranger as well. Happy now.

Scotland has a somewhat different approach to 'managing' this virus, which, as a 'subsidised' economy, it is applying the 'eradicate irrespective of the cost' approach. Johnson, as the provider of the 'subsidy', along with running UK overall, cannot (afford to) take the same approach and must get all parts of the economy moving again. While I'm not certain whether or not he's moving too fast, I certainly agree with the approach.
Those Scots who take the approach the DR identifies - via Manchester - are, unless already (trapped) overseas, selfishly risking other folks lives! That doesn't, to me, seem a natural Scottish trait!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

One of the govt advisors, either chief medical or chief scientists, talked the other day about relaxing lockdown. They know there are risks but they also talked about the risks, medical, psychological and financial of remaining in lock down. They have to look at the bigger picture, not just one issue.

It's easy for other 'experts ' to constantly quote caution, as easy as those who demand total relaxation, but the govt has to find a middle ground. They actually have to make decisions, not just advise, and they have to deal with the consequences, whatever they may be.