Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Coming round to the thinking that if in 2-3 weeks time no 4th July initiated spike is evident then we should basically look to open pubs, venues and clubs back up almost as normal sooner rather than later - targeted at the under 35s or whatever age in the death rate drops off the cliff. Let that age group get back to living a life.

Yes they could spread infection to more vulnerable and older but we have to be able to look after ourselves knowing that any youngster could have the virus. And we migrate that risk as best we can and with their understanding that they could be symptomatic and present a risk to us.

I await to see how this weekends compliance - or lack of it - turns out in respect of community infections.

Coming round but not quite there...

 

[User62651]

"Remember SAGE is a large group with varying opinions. Some members of which like to flatter their egos"

Re Sage, for clarity I believe the chap on Sky is not from Sage, instead another group who have formed called Independent Sage offering their combined expert opinion, mainly because Govt (Cummings) have Sage under their total control so they 'tow the party line'. Transparency is what they claim to offer.

 

[spongebob59]

You mean the totally unbiased sage

https://order-order.com/2020/05/04/not-independent-activist-stuffed-shadow-sage/

 

[MegaSteve]

In the German press we gullible Inselaffen are under the spell of a flat footed pied piper Grossmaul…

 

[User62651]

Wouldn’t mind betting that by 12 July her travel policy will be exactly the same or have a week saving grace as the one being used by the UK Government in England.

Depends what the scientists say, not NS. Pretty sure she has some guilt for the Edinburgh Nike thing and not locking down sooner so won't want to bee seen to fail on covid more than once. R rate has come down very well of late.
i note how the Brexiteer Tories on here never criticise Drakeford or Foster for their devolved policy differences on covid to Westminster, wonder why?

 

[Old Skier]

Depends what the scientists say, not NS. Pretty sure she has some guilt for the Edinburgh Nike thing and not locking down sooner so won't want to bee seen to fail on covid more than once. R rate has come down very well of late.
i note how the Brexiteer Tories on here never criticise Drakeford or Foster for their devolved policy differences on covid to Westminster, wonder why?

NS is ignoring what the scientists say (the real SAGE committee) which is where her advisors sit. Not sure what Brexiteers has to do with it as that war has already been won and have disbanded.

 

[Old Skier]

Seems that all this UK Government “mistakes“ have caught on https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53298429

 

[User62651]

NS is ignoring what the scientists say (the real SAGE committee) which is where her advisors sit. Not sure what Brexiteers has to do with it as that war has already been won and have disbanded.

They just seem to have a particular personal hatred of Sturgeon. She's no hero to us, just First Minister.
Naiive or head in sand to think the Europe question has been truly settled, perhaps short term but longer term no, depending on innumerable factors and future successes/failures.

 

[Old Skier]

They just seem to have a particular personal hatred of Sturgeon. She's no hero to us, just First Minister.
Naiive or head in sand to think the Europe question has been truly settled, perhaps short term but longer term no, depending on innumerable factors and future successes/failures.

In the beginning most said how well she was doing and rated her briefings. Unfortunately in the last month she has become more interested in politics and one up manship IMO.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In the beginning most said how well she was doing and rated her briefings. Unfortunately in the last month she has become more interested in politics and one up manship IMO.

I suggest that it is a dangerous game she'd being playing if she were to play politics around such as the Scottish tourism industry given how crucial that is to the Scottish economy. But she has got pretty angry with suggestions that she is - pointing out that she is doing no more than what we hear from Australia today with the Victoria/NSW border being closed due to increased infection in Melbourne. Yes - the Australian states agreed the closure jointly with the Federal government - but they are still closing a border on health grounds. Besides - Oneupmanship with who and on what? From what I hear she mainly makes her points based upon what she thinks is right for Scotland - and accepts that what she understands to be right for Scotland may no be right for England and vice versa. That's not one upmanship - that's just different. And the difference she knows might not be to her benefit - maybe she is simply being more risk averse and cautious than Johnson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland

 

[Old Skier]

I suggest that it is a dangerous game she'd being playing if she were to play politics around such as the Scottish tourism industry given how crucial that is to the Scottish economy. But she has got pretty angry with suggestions that she is - pointing out that she is doing no more than what we hear from Australia today with the Victoria/NSW border being closed due to increased infection in Melbourne. Yes - the Australian states agreed the closure jointly with the Federal government - but they are still closing a border on health grounds. Besides - Oneupmanship with who and on what? From what I hear she mainly makes her points based upon what she thinks is right for Scotland - and accepts that what she understands to be right for Scotland may no be right for England and vice versa. That's not one upmanship - that's just different. And the difference she knows might not be to her benefit - maybe she is simply being more risk averse and cautious than Johnson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland

I did put IMO, I just find it strange that her risk aversion seems to only last for just over a week.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I did put IMO, I just find it strange that her risk aversion seems to only last for just over a week.

In which case her oneupmanship doesn't have much time to gestate to her political benefit.

 

[drdel]

I suggest that it is a dangerous game she'd being playing if she were to play politics around such as the Scottish tourism industry given how crucial that is to the Scottish economy. But she has got pretty angry with suggestions that she is - pointing out that she is doing no more than what we hear from Australia today with the Victoria/NSW border being closed due to increased infection in Melbourne. Yes - the Australian states agreed the closure jointly with the Federal government - but they are still closing a border on health grounds. Besides - Oneupmanship with who and on what? From what I hear she mainly makes her points based upon what she thinks is right for Scotland - and accepts that what she understands to be right for Scotland may no be right for England and vice versa. That's not one upmanship - that's just different. And the difference she knows might not be to her benefit - maybe she is simply being more risk averse and cautious than Johnson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland

Her risk aversion does not seem to extend to the way she has managed Scotland's economy.

 

[Foxholer]

You mean the totally unbiased sage

https://order-order.com/2020/05/04/not-independent-activist-stuffed-shadow-sage/

That's nothing to do with SAGE! It's 'Independent SAGE' - a bunch of political activists using 'SAGE' as some form of legitimacy!

Btw. If you had actually read the article on the link you posted, you'd have realised that too!

 

[rulefan]

That's nothing to do with SAGE! It's 'Independent SAGE' - a bunch of political activists using 'SAGE' as some form of legitimacy!

Btw. If you had actually read the article on the link you posted, you'd have realised that too!

I think that was the point of the post

 

[Hacker Khan]

Nice to see Bojo laying the ground work to shift the blame for all the deaths in care homes as he knows it is a damning indictment on the government's handling of the crisis. Apparently they didn't follow the correct procedures. Unlike Cummings who apparently did. Strange old world.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Her risk aversion does not seem to extend to the way she has managed Scotland's economy.

The devolved nations can only spend the share of UK money that Westminster allows them to spend, they are not allowed to borrow additional money like the UK.
They still have to pay our their share of the massive debts that the Westminster governments have built up over successive years.
'UK' spends such as HS2, Channel Tunnel and Crossrail are included in this equation whereas Forth Crossing and dualing the A9 are not.
Devolved nations are not in control of their economies they can only manage on what they get back from Westminster.

 

[drdel]

Nice to see Bojo laying the ground work to shift the blame for all the deaths in care homes as he knows it is a damning indictment on the government's handling of the crisis. Apparently they didn't follow the correct procedures. Unlike Cummings who apparently did. Strange old world.

Have you seen the state of some care homes and the low wages paid alongside high levels of staff rotation. Uncomfortable truth but he's probably right?

 

[Beezerk]

Nice to see Bojo laying the ground work to shift the blame for all the deaths in care homes as he knows it is a damning indictment on the government's handling of the crisis. Apparently they didn't follow the correct procedures. Unlike Cummings who apparently did. Strange old world.

Didn't he say "some" didn't follow correct procedures? As far as I can gather that is true but that isn't as good a story is it ?

 

[drdel]

The devolved nations can only spend the share of UK money that Westminster allows them to spend, they are not allowed to borrow additional money like the UK.
They still have to pay our their share of the massive debts that the Westminster governments have built up over successive years.
'UK' spends such as HS2, Channel Tunnel and Crossrail are included in this equation whereas Forth Crossing and dualing the A9 are not.
Devolved nations are not in control of their economies they can only manage on what they get back from Westminster.

So all the economic data on Scotland must be wrong: really!