Cook and Trott Out

[Dan2501]

I'd like to see KP back, but he has to earn it. If he's the best batsman in the country this summer, then we'd be stupid not to recall him for The Ashes.

Hopefully Strauss and Graves will agree to bin Moores. He's not the right man for the job.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd like to see KP back, but he has to earn it. If he's the best batsman in the country this summer, then we'd be stupid not to recall him for The Ashes.

Hopefully Strauss and Graves will agree to bin Moores. He's not the right man for the job.

Think his time has gone - insulted too many people and burnt too many bridges , caused too many issues at every opportunity - don't think he will ever bury the ego to remember it's about the team and not his personal battles.

 

[fundy]

Strauss a step backwards for me, another who is too ingrained in the establishment and not prepared to think outside the box or rock the boat, basically another yes man within the system. Hugely disappointing imho

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Strauss a step backwards for me, another who is too ingrained in the establishment and not prepared to think outside the box or rock the boat, basically another yes man within the system. Hugely disappointing imho

But was very successful as a player and captain and could easily bring that thinking to the table

Maybe certainly worth seeing how he does first.

 

[chrisd]

Think his time has gone - insulted too many people and burnt too many bridges , caused too many issues at every opportunity - don't think he will ever bury the ego to remember it's about the team and not his personal battles.

I do hope you're right Phil. If he ever gets a call up again I shall never watch cricket again that's for sure

 

[fundy]

But was very successful as a player and captain and could easily bring that thinking to the table

Maybe certainly worth seeing how he does first.

Decent enough player, nothing ingenious as a captain just a lead from the front with runs type of skipper. Definitely not the best man for the job available but the obvious choice for the establishment.

All my opinion but dont expect there to be too many changes if he does get the job and currently English cricket needs a total reform from top to bottom and someone who is prepared to take some risks and change things

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Decent enough player, nothing ingenious as a captain just a lead from the front with runs type of skipper. Definitely not the best man for the job available but the obvious choice for the establishment.

All my opinion but dont expect there to be too many changes if he does get the job and currently English cricket needs a total reform from top to bottom and someone who is prepared to take some risks and change things

Was skipper when we steamrollered the Aussies away - that's not to be sniffed at

Agree that lots do need changing and could easily see Strauss implement that - I'm more worried about Graves

 

[fundy]

Was skipper when we steamrollered the Aussies away - that's not to be sniffed at

Agree that lots do need changing and could easily see Strauss implement that - I'm more worried about Graves

I prefer to judge skippers when the side is struggling, tend to see the best of the good ones then compared to those who have no alternative plans and just start ball following. Strauss like Cook falls into the latter category for me. You couldve skippered that side to victory in the Aus series

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Very much an establishment type of man so won't ruffle too many feathers. Whether he can make the brave decisions or bring some modern thinking and fluidity to a tired structure is doubtful

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I prefer to judge skippers when the side is struggling, tend to see the best of the good ones then compared to those who have no alternative plans and just start ball following. Strauss like Cook falls into the latter category for me. You couldve skippered that side to victory in the Aus series

Didnt Strauss take over after the Pieterson debacle when England were awful and move them up to the top test nation in the world ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Until Moores goes I don't see England being anything but average. Will get beat by NZ and Australia and blown apart next winter in SA

 

[fundy]

Didnt Strauss take over after the Pieterson debacle when England were awful and move them up to the top test nation in the world ?

England were hardly awful at that point, KP was only in charge for a handful of games post Vaughan. Some would argue the biggest issue around then was Moores. Sounds familiar....

 

[fundy]

Sir Geoffrey's opinion:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cr...nks-he-is-untouchable-as-England-captain.html

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Typically to the point as you'd expect from Boycott but absolutely spot on

 

[Deleted member 15344]

England were hardly awful at that point, KP was only in charge for a handful of games post Vaughan. Some would argue the biggest issue around then was Moores. Sounds familiar....

Hadn't they lost two series in a row ? SA and then India ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sir Geoffrey's opinion:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cr...nks-he-is-untouchable-as-England-captain.html

Imagine Boycott being negative about someone who just recently had a dig about someone from Yorkshire. Boycott has always been all mouth and numerous times he has got it all wrong

Would rather listen to someone like Aggers who at least engages the brain before speaking

 

[fundy]

Imagine Boycott being negative about someone who just recently had a dig about someone from Yorkshire. Boycott has always been all mouth and numerous times he has got it all wrong

Would rather listen to someone like Aggers who at least engages the brain before speaking

Aggers? seriously? ok we're gonna have to agree to disagree lol

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Aggers? seriously? ok we're gonna have to agree to disagree lol

Yep certainly listen him over a blithering idiot like Boycott who maybe passionate but so far behind

Botham is good as is Butcher but add Willis and Hussain to Boycott corner of planks

 

[fundy]

Yep certainly listen him over a blithering idiot like Boycott who maybe passionate but so far behind

Botham is good as is Butcher but add Willis and Hussain to Boycott corner of planks

We agree on Butcher and Willis lol, you have Nasser and Botham the wrong way round though!!!! My thoughts on Botham not printable on here, was an idol as a kid, as a commentator he is worse than horrific. Nasser credited with most of the revival in English cricket for me, would happily have him in charge of the ECB (albeit hes been in the sky combox a bit too long and is a bit more mainstream these days)

 

[Dan2501]

Botham is a horrific commentator. Has no idea on the County system and just plucks names out of a hat when he's suggesting changes to the England side. Atherton should be the sort of character this England side is looking to for a bit of hand, whether he'd be interested is another matter, but he certainly knows what he's talking about, and is intensely passionate about the game, and English cricket.