Cook and Trott Out

[Dan2501]

Nice to see Cook putting all the blame on Graves rather than being a man and taking responsibility for what was a terrible performance from his team. We should have smashed that WI team. Changes need to be made, and the sooner they happen the better. The first change that needs to happen is to bin Moores. He's not an International coach. Then in Tests, I'd be picking:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Bell
Root
Moeen
Buttler
Woakes
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson

No way Buttler should be batting 8, and Jordan and Stokes have not done enough to keep their places. Woakes held the #8 spot before his injury, and when he's fit again he should come straight back in.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nice to see Cook putting all the blame on Graves rather than being a man and taking responsibility for what was a terrible performance from his team. We should have smashed that WI team. Changes need to be made, and the sooner they happen the better. The first change that needs to happen is to bin Moores. He's not an International coach. Then in Tests, I'd be picking:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Bell
Root
Moeen
Buttler
Woakes
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson

No way Buttler should be batting 8, and Jordan and Stokes have not done enough to keep their places. Woakes held the #8 spot before his injury, and when he's fit again he should come straight back in.

Agree on Moores - twice he has had the job and both of those times its being England at their worst over the last decade

Dont see Woakes and Plunkett being the bowlers to have that something extra - such a shame Finn has been destroyed as his ability is up there with the best .

 

[Dan2501]

Woakes and Plunkett aren't amazing, but they're better than Stokes and Jordan. All Jordan offers is his exceptional fielding, not sure what Stokes brings to this side. Not good enough to bat in the Top 6, and not good enough to be a frontline bowler. Plunkett deserves another chance. Was excellent last season, has serious pace and bowled decently in spells last summer. He certainly would have offered something different in this series!

Would love Finn to get it back. An amazing talent that should be world class, just can't pull it together. When Anderson goes, I think Broad, Plunkett and Finn could be a seriously good Test pace attack.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Woakes and Plunkett aren't amazing, but they're better than Stokes and Jordan. All Jordan offers is his exceptional fielding, not sure what Stokes brings to this side. Not good enough to bat in the Top 6, and not good enough to be a frontline bowler. Plunkett deserves another chance. Was excellent last season, has serious pace and bowled decently in spells last summer. He certainly would have offered something different in this series!

Would love Finn to get it back. An amazing talent that should be world class, just can't pull it together. When Anderson goes, I think Broad, Plunkett and Finn could be a seriously good Test pace attack.

Thats very much debatable - Stokes IMO has the best potential of the lot both with bat and ball. Plunkett certianly has the pace to trouble players - also seems to get extra bounce when needed. Woakes i think is along the lines of Jordan - just a decent bowler but nothing extra special.

really do have belief that the Overtons will come through this season

 

[Piece]

Woakes and Plunkett aren't amazing, but they're better than Stokes and Jordan. All Jordan offers is his exceptional fielding, not sure what Stokes brings to this side. Not good enough to bat in the Top 6, and not good enough to be a frontline bowler. Plunkett deserves another chance. Was excellent last season, has serious pace and bowled decently in spells last summer. He certainly would have offered something different in this series!

Would love Finn to get it back. An amazing talent that should be world class, just can't pull it together. When Anderson goes, I think Broad, Plunkett and Finn could be a seriously good Test pace attack.

Of the current attack, only Anderson is worthy of a place. Broad has been average for a couple of years and his batting has gone from a very good number 7 to a bad no 10. Jordan is rubbish; limited pace and bowls two fours balls an over. Stokes has talent but too samey with ball. Finn has had his chance and the way McCullum shredded him in the WC, he wont send any fears through the NZ or Aussies this summer. Plunkett, Tremlett, Rankin are all from the same pot and just don't have it.

I don't know enough about the county scene to offer alternate names. We do need some variety, a left armer, some one who knows what a length ball is 6x times an over and, most importantly, a dedicated spinner! Treadwell and Ali arent the answer. If you pick a young spinner give him the chance!

Heard that Strauss is favourite for the new top job in the ECB. Cant help thinking more the same management style....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Of the current attack, only Anderson is worthy of a place. Broad has been average for a couple of years and his batting has gone from a very good number 7 to a bad no 10. Jordan is rubbish; limited pace and bowls two fours balls an over. Stokes has talent but too samey with ball. Finn has had his chance and the way McCullum shredded him in the WC, he wont send any fears through the NZ or Aussies this summer. Plunkett, Tremlett, Rankin are all from the same pot and just don't have it.

I don't know enough about the county scene to offer alternate names. We do need some variety, a left armer, some one who knows what a length ball is 6x times an over and, most importantly, a dedicated spinner! Treadwell and Ali arent the answer. If you pick a young spinner give him the chance!

Heard that Strauss is favourite for the new top job in the ECB. Cant help thinking more the same management style....

Harry Gurney certainly fits that gap but think he lacks a bit of extra bite

Danny Briggs should be given a proper go

 

[Tongo]

Nice to see Cook putting all the blame on Graves rather than being a man and taking responsibility for what was a terrible performance from his team. We should have smashed that WI team. Changes need to be made, and the sooner they happen the better. The first change that needs to happen is to bin Moores. He's not an International coach. Then in Tests, I'd be picking:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Bell
Root
Moeen
Buttler
Woakes
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson

No way Buttler should be batting 8, and Jordan and Stokes have not done enough to keep their places. Woakes held the #8 spot before his injury, and when he's fit again he should come straight back in.

He's an embarrassment of a captain.

 

[Tongo]

Thats the dullest top four I can think of.

England are playing the wrong brand of cricket. Bringing back another grinder like Trott doesn't inspire me that we have the people in place to set the direction properly.

Its not 1975 any more (as the World Cup showed, albeit for a different format). Good teams win by playing aggressive cricket, with bat and ball, putting teams under pressure and, most importantly, entertaining.

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed watching England bat...

England are playing catenaccio cricket at the moment. Joyless, boring, mediocre and, ultimately, not bearing decent results.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Anyone know much about Tymal Mills? I haven't seen him myself but have read a lot of good reports about him. Did see he was suffering from a back injury a few weeks ago but is reported to be rapid, bowling well over 90mph.

 

[fundy]

Anyone know much about Tymal Mills? I haven't seen him myself but have read a lot of good reports about him. Did see he was suffering from a back injury a few weeks ago but is reported to be rapid, bowling well over 90mph.

Left arm quick, been at Essex who nursed him through several back injuries etc, returned to fitness then turned his back and joined Sussex. Had a very ordinary start to the season, he has pace but currently not a lot to go with it. Used to have a decent inswinger but struggling greatly for control it seems in the few games hes played so far this year. A long way from being an international candidate, assuming you keep him fit which is by no means a given

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He's an embarrassment of a captain.

Very harsh - struggling at times - but "embarrassment" ?!.

And think he is spot on in what he has said about Graves

Its not right what Graves said and would have automatically fired the Windies up.

 

[Tongo]

Very harsh - struggling at times - but "embarrassment" ?!.

And think he is spot on in what he has said about Graves

Its not right what Graves said and would have automatically fired the Windies up.

Too much whinging and whining. As a captain i'd expect Cook to act less like a spoilt school boy and more like a leader.

The Graves thing really is a smokescreen. England lost from being in the box seat and the focus is on the comments of Graves rather than the players not performing. The West Indies are mediocre. But so are England. Maybe Moores' data will eventually tell them that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Too much whinging and whining. As a captain i'd expect Cook to act less like a spoilt school boy and more like a leader.

The Graves thing really is a smokescreen. England lost from being in the box seat and the focus is on the comments of Graves rather than the players not performing. The West Indies are mediocre. But so are England. Maybe Moores' data will eventually tell them that.

It didnt go well and the batsmen had a mare yesterday and calling the oppo mediocre isnt the smartest move

Cook does need to be ruthless at times but an embarrassment is going too far - its always the same in cricket in this country - they win and will build the players up - lose and they get crucified instead of getting behind them.

 

[fundy]

Seems Trott has retired from international cricket. Sad way for him to go out was an excellent player for England up to a few years ago

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Seems Trott has retired from international cricket. Sad way for him to go out was an excellent player for England up to a few years ago

I agree but to be honest he hasn't seemed to be happy since his return and looked out of form in a big way. Shame his career was blighted my his personal issues/illness and I hope he manages some form at county level (I assume it's only test cricket he's retired from)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seems Trott has retired from international cricket. Sad way for him to go out was an excellent player for England up to a few years ago

I'll always remember him for his exploits against the Aussies in the three ashes when he was supreme

He tried to come back and looked delighted to be back but got squeezed in as an opener which wasn't right but has his head up high IMO

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Shame he got shoe horned into the opener position and the public (not necessarily cricket fans) will remember him going out as a failure on this tour which is unfair as he has been a good player for England. I think the management has some questions to be answered not only why they put him in opening when there are a few other specialist openers out there that deserve a crack, but also what their plan is for the side. I think there are 4-5 in the current line up not good enough on current form and can't understand why new blood not being given a chance

 

[Dan2501]

Strauss set to become ECB Director of Cricket. There goes KP's chances of a comeback.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Strauss set to become ECB Director of Cricket. There goes KP's chances of a comeback.

That's one good thing from the appointment - hopefully put the Pieterson talk to bed once and for all

Wonder what he will do about Moores

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Interesting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32579603 Not sure about this yet, especially if Moores is left in charge of team selection and coaching