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[fundy]

Do they use it during ODI or T20 ?

india dont no, they had to in the recent world cup but thats about it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

india dont no, they had to in the recent world cup but thats about it

I expect with the amount of times an umpire gets it wrong will start to turn their heads further round

Can see it being used by them all soon it enough

 

[fundy]

I expect with the amount of times an umpire gets it wrong will start to turn their heads further round

Can see it being used by them all soon it enough

its got to go one way or another, either they all use it or it gets scrapped, think theres a fair chance of either considering Indias stance, also a few other boards struggle to afford it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

its got to go one way or another, either they all use it or it gets scrapped, think theres a fair chance of either considering Indias stance, also a few other boards struggle to afford it

That's where the funding for it needs to come direct from the ICC

If it gets scrapped as a tool on the pitch then it's going to be a nightmare for the umpires because every single decision will be analysed by the pundits and every mistake highlighted

 

[fundy]

That's where the funding for it needs to come direct from the ICC

If it gets scrapped as a tool on the pitch then it's going to be a nightmare for the umpires because every single decision will be analysed by the pundits and every mistake highlighted

yep, we go back to where we were but with even more scrutiny

the funding argument is actually helping Indias cause too, basically their view being if the ICC has to pay for it then they are paying the lions share so they should have the say!

easier in countries like England and Aus where the tv companies basically provide it as part of their contract, not as easy in WI and the Asian countries

 

[Deleted member 15344]

yep, we go back to where we were but with even more scrutiny

the funding argument is actually helping Indias cause too, basically their view being if the ICC has to pay for it then they are paying the lions share so they should have the say!

easier in countries like England and Aus where the tv companies basically provide it as part of their contract, not as easy in WI and the Asian countries

The cricket boards aren't short of money though - even make so with the amount of money they are gained from their various franchise T20 comps they hold

It will need to come to a head soon enough

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It will come to a time when it's all or nothing. It has to be taken on board by everyone or not at all. It has led to decisions being over turned (correctly) so in my mind has a place in the game.

 

[fundy]

The cricket boards aren't short of money though - even make so with the amount of money they are gained from their various franchise T20 comps they hold

It will need to come to a head soon enough

Some of them are, Sri Lankan board are essentially skint (they often run into problems when they dont play their players for several mths), Pakistan and West Indies also not overly strong financially either. Definitely 2 tiers financially within the game and the gap being forced wider by the "haves"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some of them are, Sri Lankan board are essentially skint (they often run into problems when they dont play their players for several mths), Pakistan and West Indies also not overly strong financially either. Definitely 2 tiers financially within the game and the gap being forced wider by the "haves"

Wonder how much touring teams earn from playing away ?

I know Pakistan have been hit badly since not playing at home in recent years

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Some of them are, Sri Lankan board are essentially skint (they often run into problems when they dont play their players for several mths), Pakistan and West Indies also not overly strong financially either. Definitely 2 tiers financially within the game and the gap being forced wider by the "haves"

True. Sri Lanka have struggled for a few years and the West Indies board are often running into issues (some of their own making) and so to say they can afford it is off the mark

 

[fundy]

Wonder how much touring teams earn from playing away ?

I know Pakistan have been hit badly since not playing at home in recent years

Depends on the arrangements with the home team but this is where the gap is growing with the big sides keeping higher proportion of the revenues, especially India, and the littler guys cant do much to stop it as the ICC is toothless (and controlled by the BCCI)

Also, theres been a reduction in the number of games the smaller sides are getting from the bigger sides, limiting their income further

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Depends on the arrangements with the home team but this is where the gap is growing with the big sides keeping higher proportion of the revenues, especially India, and the littler guys cant do much to stop it as the ICC is toothless (and controlled by the BCCI)

Also, theres been a reduction in the number of games the smaller sides are getting from the bigger sides, limiting their income further

Not long before a two tier system in place to push smaller sides away ? Will it be a case of the big sides just playing each other on a rotation ?

I can possibly see India not bothering too much about tests soon - eggs firmly being thrown into the IPL

 

[Deleted member 18588]

But Hawkeye is not a "fact based" system.

Whilst it does have the benefit of sophisticated camera tracking ultimately it depends upon assumptions on the continued flight of the ball after it has struck the batsmen. Too many members of the TV viewing public are being led to believe it is infallible when it is not.

The Indian Board remains resolutely opposed to DRS in general and Hawkeye in particular and it is difficult to see them changing (or being forced to change) their position in the foreseeable future.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not long before a two tier system in place to push smaller sides away ? Will it be a case of the big sides just playing each other on a rotation ?

Depends what the Indian TV companies want.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The Indian Board remains resolutely opposed to DRS in general and Hawkeye in particular and it is difficult to see them changing (or being forced to change) their position in the foreseeable future.

Was there not another system considered before Hawkeye got chosen? Do the Indian board have any stake in that one and hence aren't prepared to accept a different system?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Was there not another system considered before Hawkeye got chosen? Do the Indian board have any stake in that one and hence aren't prepared to accept a different system?

Not as far as I am aware.

I know that there were several systems (including Hawkeye) under consideration for "goal-line technology" in football but not in cricket.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I don't think we're get to a tow tier game and it would be sad if we do. The smaller sides need something to aspire to and the likes of West Indies etc need to be able to compete if only from a monetary persepctive.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Not as far as I am aware.

I know that there were several systems (including Hawkeye) under consideration for "goal-line technology" in football but not in cricket.

Just been on google and it turns out that another company called Virtual Eye also do a similar thing to Hawkeye but they are a NZ based company so unlikely that there is a link to the Inidan board or Indian TV companies.

 

[Tongo]

Another intriguing day at Headingly. I think these two tests have shown that this really should have been a 3 match series and played during a different summer to the Ashes.

 

[Dan2501]

How good was Mark Wood's spell to Brendon McCullum yesterday afternoon! He looks a seriously talented bowler, think he could be around the side for a while.

Going to be a very interesting day. Going to be a result either way, so hopefully England can dig in and get the win. Unlikely, but I'm not writing them off yet!