Cook and Trott Out

[Deleted member 15344]

well on the basis the ECB agreed the sky contract and its their product then ultimately its the ECB yes. They may have made it hard from themselves with the sky contract though I agree (greed far more likely than common sense wouldve been used in the contract stage no doubt)

Its an expensive production to broadcast from every game online mate - that would cost a lot more including commentaries etc

And its possibly something they would look at in the future contracts - this year they are broadcasting 10 more games than they did last year,

 

[fundy]

Its an expensive production to broadcast from every game online mate - that would cost a lot more including commentaries etc

And its possibly something they would look at in the future contracts - this year they are broadcasting 10 more games than they did last year,

Commentaries are already in place (hence I listened to Gayles innings on the radio), the extra infrastructure not really that much, 4 fixed cameras be enough to see the majority.

Not sure if you saw the survey that the ECB did about county cricket, but they were provided with lots and lots of excellent ideas and have pretty much ignored everyone of them and instead chosen to do as the county charimen have asked, yet again, even though its not beneficial to English cricket or the England cricket team

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Commentaries are already in place (hence I listened to Gayles innings on the radio), the extra infrastructure not really that much, 4 fixed cameras be enough to see the majority.

My wife works for the company that does it all - it does cost a lot more - was it Sky commentaries you listened too or 5 Live or Somerset Radio ?

You cant have fixed cameras at a cricket venue for a match - all have to be manned to get the action.

Not sure if you saw the survey that the ECB did about county cricket, but they were provided with lots and lots of excellent ideas and have pretty much ignored everyone of them and instead chosen to do as the county charimen have asked, yet again, even though its not beneficial to English cricket or the England cricket team

I have no idea what the ideas were in regards country cricket.

I know there was talk of franchise and reducing the amount of counties playing - but thats destroys the game imo

 

[fundy]

My wife works for the company that does it all - it does cost a lot more - was it Sky commentaries you listened too or 5 Live or Somerset Radio ?

Was listening to bbc somerset i think this afternoon, usually pick up the commentaries via the bbc website or dab radio


You cant have fixed cameras at a cricket venue for a match - all have to be manned to get the action.

Thats what they use for the county games highlights and then add one manned camera, would be more than plenty and you get to see almost all the main action

I have no idea what the ideas were in regards country cricket.

I know there was talk of franchise and reducing the amount of counties playing - but thats destroys the game imo

were many ideas regarding what tournaments to play, the make up of them etc but ultimately only small changes were made and they were made to suit the counties and not the hundreds of thousands of fans who responded. like you im not a huge franchise fan, at least not in the format it has been provided to date

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My wife works for the company that does it all - it does cost a lot more - was it Sky commentaries you listened too or 5 Live or Somerset Radio ?

Was listening to bbc somerset i think this afternoon, usually pick up the commentaries via the bbc website or dab radio


You cant have fixed cameras at a cricket venue for a match - all have to be manned to get the action.

Thats what they use for the county games highlights and then add one manned camera, would be more than plenty and you get to see almost all the main action

I have no idea what the ideas were in regards country cricket.

I know there was talk of franchise and reducing the amount of counties playing - but thats destroys the game imo

were many ideas regarding what tournaments to play, the make up of them etc but ultimately only small changes were made and they were made to suit the counties and not the hundreds of thousands of fans who responded. like you im not a huge franchise fan, at least not in the format it has been provided to date

What needs to happen is BBC get involved more beyond radio - again it costs a lot - The fixed cameras still need a full crew on site -

In county games the action isnt all round the park like T20 - today 4 fixed cameras wouldnt have picked up enough of seeing the bal sailing all over the park

What other ideas for changing the tournaments were suggested if you can remember ?

 

[fundy]

Meanwhile in the test New Zealand are heading towards a very commanding position, though I expect the weather will play a part in whether they manage to force victory in the next couple of days (especially if we lose some play). If they get some overhead conditions with the new ball then England are going to find it mighty tough

Bit more evidence this afternoon that Ali is far from the answer as the mainline spinner for me too, just doesnt offer enough of a threat at this level for me and ultimately this is an area Australia will look to expose later in the summer

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Meanwhile in the test New Zealand are heading towards a very commanding position, though I expect the weather will play a part in whether they manage to force victory in the next couple of days (especially if we lose some play). If they get some overhead conditions with the new ball then England are going to find it mighty tough

Bit more evidence this afternoon that Ali is far from the answer as the mainline spinner for me too, just doesnt offer enough of a threat at this level for me and ultimately this is an area Australia will look to expose later in the summer

Yep he is a problem - nowhere near good enough to be mainline spinner - he is just tossing them up waiting for them to be slapped

Another good counter attack from NZ today - tomorrow could be a cracking days cricket

 

[fundy]

What needs to happen is BBC get involved more beyond radio - again it costs a lot - The fixed cameras still need a full crew on site -

In county games the action isnt all round the park like T20 - today 4 fixed cameras wouldnt have picked up enough of seeing the bal sailing all over the park

What other ideas for changing the tournaments were suggested if you can remember ?

A lot was around how they structure whats played and when. Its currently done to maximise revenue for the counties rather than provide the best viewing options for fans.

Was proposals to change the structure of the 40/50 over comp (as well as discussion over how many overs to play) so that sides played proper sides throughout rather than there being lots of dead games and players rested. Most fans wanted the T20 comp played in one go, the counties prefer it spread over the year. Fans wanted game starting on weekends, the counties preferring the old option of starting midweek (aimed at corporate market more). Was lots of other bits but cant remember that much

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A lot was around how they structure whats played and when. Its currently done to maximise revenue for the counties rather than provide the best viewing options for fans.

Was proposals to change the structure of the 40/50 over comp (as well as discussion over how many overs to play) so that sides played proper sides throughout rather than there being lots of dead games and players rested. Most fans wanted the T20 comp played in one go, the counties prefer it spread over the year. Fans wanted game starting on weekends, the counties preferring the old option of starting midweek (aimed at corporate market more). Was lots of other bits but cant remember that much

Can certainly see a lot of good there -

T20 does need to be played all in one go in August
No idea what they should do with the One day stuff as its changed so many times - think one should be a straight KO
Games starting on weekends is a good idea but then the last couple days could be emoty ?

 

[fundy]

Can certainly see a lot of good there -

T20 does need to be played all in one go in August
No idea what they should do with the One day stuff as its changed so many times - think one should be a straight KO
Games starting on weekends is a good idea but then the last couple days could be emoty ?

should look to play more double header T20s too for me. Game 1 starts at 2pm then another one at say 7pm.

the 50 over stuff should almost go back to the sunday league format imo (how many overs is tough because 40 overs is a better game for me but you need to prepare players for ODIs which are 50)

the biggest issue with playing the t20 in a block is a) clashing with the home series tests and b) anyone needing to be called up to the test squad having not played any 1st class games for a while.

the biggest thing they need to address with the t20s for me is to get the England internationals playing in as many games as possible rather than being told to rest, you have box office guys like Buttler and Stokes and you really need to use them rather than ordering them to rest all the time

 

[Deleted member 15344]

should look to play more double header T20s too for me. Game 1 starts at 2pm then another one at say 7pm.

the 50 over stuff should almost go back to the sunday league format imo (how many overs is tough because 40 overs is a better game for me but you need to prepare players for ODIs which are 50)

the biggest issue with playing the t20 in a block is a) clashing with the home series tests and b) anyone needing to be called up to the test squad having not played any 1st class games for a while.

the biggest thing they need to address with the t20s for me is to get the England internationals playing in as many games as possible rather than being told to rest, you have box office guys like Buttler and Stokes and you really need to use them rather than ordering them to rest all the time

Cannot disagree with anyone of that - maybe have the T20 in september - weather still good ?

 

[fundy]

Cannot disagree with anyone of that - maybe have the T20 in september - weather still good ?

Often its great but every now and then you get a bad year late on. Dont think theyd risk it that late on. Other option is you play it in chunks of a week or two, but that causes probs with getting overseas players

 

[fundy]

Really is time that umpires call is revisited in DRS, almost every decision these days thats referred is umpires call so as a system it is not really improving the base decision. Time to stop giving umpires call decisions and either be out or not out for me.

Been 3 lbws clipping the bails this test, how is it right that 2 are not out yet the third one is out? And the reason behind it? Thats what one of the more incompetent umpires on the circuit has guessed

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Often its great but every now and then you get a bad year late on. Dont think theyd risk it that late on. Other option is you play it in chunks of a week or two, but that causes probs with getting overseas players

We need to go back to just the one test series in the summer - could then fit in T20

 

[fundy]

We need to go back to just the one test series in the summer - could then fit in T20

not a cat in hells chance the ecb go down that route, too much money from the test series

 

[Deleted member 15344]

not a cat in hells chance the ecb go down that route, too much money from the test series

Oh i know - certainly a case of trying to have it all.

And in regards an umpires call - i believe you shouldnt lose your referral

 

[fundy]

Oh i know - certainly a case of trying to have it all.

And in regards an umpires call - i believe you shouldnt lose your referral

Ive always thought that about losing the referral, but actually Im now of the view that its either out or not out and they need to remove the grey area in the middle which is basically being used to spare umpires blushes most of the time. If hawkeye has it hitting its hitting, if it has it missing its missing. Going back to the on field decision because less than half the ball is hitting really isnt helping the game for me, especially to casual observers

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ive always thought that about losing the referral, but actually Im now of the view that its either out or not out and they need to remove the grey area in the middle which is basically being used to spare umpires blushes most of the time. If hawkeye has it hitting its hitting, if it has it missing its missing. Going back to the on field decision because less than half the ball is hitting really isnt helping the game for me, especially to casual observers

Doesnt it allow for the extra leeway though ? The uncertainty of the ball going in the exact line ?

It would make it more clear cut if its out if its hitting the wickets

 

[fundy]

Doesnt it allow for the extra leeway though ? The uncertainty of the ball going in the exact line ?

It would make it more clear cut if its out if its hitting the wickets

supposedly so but it isnt being portrayed that way by commentators and the graphics shown can only confuse more to a casual viewer imo. what it is ensuring is an inconsistency of decisions (ie we use umpires guess on the close ones) rather than the consistency the alternative would at least appear to provide, if its clipping its out everytime rather than some being out and some not

 

[Deleted member 15344]

supposedly so but it isnt being portrayed that way by commentators and the graphics shown can only confuse more to a casual viewer imo. what it is ensuring is an inconsistency of decisions (ie we use umpires guess on the close ones) rather than the consistency the alternative would at least appear to provide, if its clipping its out everytime rather than some being out and some not

Totally with you - if it's hitting its out - missing it's not out - would it cause more issues with more appeals ?