Compressed Hours- holiday entitlement

[Orikoru]

I might agree but that's not whats happening here

Later posts explain but he gets days holiday not hours holiday, he cuts his work days he cuts his holiday days in-line

Yes I can see that's what the company has done. I was just saying how it should work, in my opinion.

 

[Orikoru]

If his set pattern is to work nine hours on a Monday, then he needs to book nine hours to take that day off. That's the same as one day.

I don't agree. He chooses to work 9 hours over 7 on a working day. But a standard work day remains 7 hours. So a holiday day should be based on a standard working day.

 

[virtuocity]

Try thinking of it like this, each one of your days is longer than your colleagues, it’s actually 1.2 days.

So if you have a week off it is 4x1.2 = 5days
If your colleague has a week off it is 5x1 = 5 days.

Yeah, actually that makes sense.

That's to say, if I take a day's holiday I'm really getting 10 hours off (roughly) whereas my colleague taking a day off gets 8 hours.

 

[HowlingGale]

It seems like you're being diddled on face value however if you boil it down it actually makes sense. Putting it another way. If one of your colleagues, who works 9-5 5 days a week, take's a day of they get 8 hours off. If you take a day off you get 9.6 hours off (or whatever it is). For you to be entitled to the same amount of leave you would need to go into work for the extra 1.6 hours on your 'day off'. So for a day off you get more time away from work than your normal colleagues. Think was probably explained further up but it melted my heid.

 

[virtuocity]

It seems like you're being diddled on face value however if you boil it down it actually makes sense.

This perfectly sums up where I'm at with this one.

To move the conversation along a bit:

I can also work flexi, and generally accrue enough to take two flexi days per four-week period off. If I go compressed, it's highly unlikely I'll accrue flexi, so in essence, in a four week pattern, I will be:

-Losing 2 days flexi
-Working longer 4 days of the week (1.75 hours per day)
-Gaining 4 days per four weeks (one day a week off)
-Under 80% rule, losing 4 days annual leave per year (0.3 days per each four weeks)

Still reckon that compressed is a decent deal, considering the above.

 

[Kellfire]

I don't agree. He chooses to work 9 hours over 7 on a working day. But a standard work day remains 7 hours. So a holiday day should be based on a standard working day.

So he should get more hours off per year compared to people working the same number of hours as him?

That's ridiculous. You get so many hours leave for each hour you work. Simple.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It may well be the reduction on holidays because of the length of the working day

My working days are 11 hours but I get more days off the normal week but our holidays are worked out in hours - we all get the same amount of hours holiday but because I have to put in 11 whilst others 8 it means I get a few days less holiday but because of the extra normal days off I get it balances itself out

So you will find you are in the same situation - for you to get a day off you will need to have more holiday hours off for that one day off so overall your actual holiday days will be less but because your normal off days are more you will find you may actually have more time off than them but work the same amount of hours

 

[Orikoru]

So he should get more hours off per year compared to people working the same number of hours as him?

That's ridiculous. You get so many hours leave for each hour you work. Simple.

What are you talking about? What I said was the same as what you said. He works the same hours (condensed into less days) so he should get the same hours of leave.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Thinking about it , not sure could be right because if you work 4 days a week not 4 only takes 4 days to take a week off so say you get 20 days leave.. that’s 5 weeks instead of 4 so would that 20% but the 4 days they take to balance it otherwise you would get extra week off

 

[oxymoron]

Look at this from another angle , if he takes a day off his pay should remain the same as if he worked , if that happens whats the issue ?
As long as you do not lose out whats the problem ?

 

[Blue in Munich]

The primary issue here is your employer not putting your annual leave into hours. If you worked a 40 hour week and you are given 200 hours of leave that’s 5 weeks off, regardless of the number of hours in your working day.

The secondary issue was some on here making it far more complicated than it needed to be. 😋

 

[Val]

My place of work has a compressed hours scheme. I thought about working my weekly hours over 4 days, instead of 5. However, I then learned that they take 20% off your holiday entitlement.

Is this normal practice?

In terms of actual days worked then this is quite common so for example if you work 5 days a week and get 20 days leave you effectively get 1 week (5 days) for every 3 months worked.

If you work the same hours in 4 days for the same pay as 5 days you will still generate enough days to get 4 days holiday every 3 months ie, 1 weeks holiday.

Put it like this, forget hours, you only work a 4 day working week therefor to take a weeks holiday you only need to take 4 days leave.

 

[HowlingGale]

In terms of actual days worked then this is quite common so for example if you work 5 days a week and get 20 days leave you effectively get 1 week (5 days) for every 3 months worked.

If you work the same hours in 4 days for the same pay as 5 days you will still generate enough days to get 4 days holiday every 3 months ie, 1 weeks holiday.

Put it like this, forget hours, you only work a 4 day working week therefor to take a weeks holiday you only need to take 4 days leave.

I think that's what everyone was trying to say but making an utter baws of it. 😂

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My place of work has a compressed hours scheme. I thought about working my weekly hours over 4 days, instead of 5. However, I then learned that they take 20% off your holiday entitlement.

Is this normal practice?

As I am looking to drop to 4 days from 5 day (though not compressing 5 days hours into 4) I have had a look at our company policy - and it looks like holiday is pro rata according to days worked rather than hours worked. As I am thinking of taking Mondays off I checked BH and rather than 8 (England & Wales) I will get 6. So pro rata my annual leave entitlement drops from 25 to 19 and I get 6 days for bank holidays so back to 25 days - though I am pretty sure that I will have to take any non-Monday BHs out of that 25 days.