Comp rounds to enter “majors”

[VVega]

Heard there is a proposal to require 10 out of last 20 to be in comps to qualify to enter any “major” events.

Is it reasonable or too much in your personal view?

It feels harsh to me, compared to the fact that before WHS all one needed was 3 competition rounds per year.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Seems excess to me! I’d never be able to guarantee playing 10 comps out of 20 to ensure I could play in majors and as a result would be missing out and seems unfair!

Why the sudden change is there an issue with handicapping at your place! 3 - 10 is a massive jump. Maybe 5 at a push but seems likes it’s punishing members rather than encouraging.

 

[Neilds]

8 cards in the rolling 12 months prior to the board comp or knockout, 3 cards minimum must be comp at our place. Seems to work ok and never heard of anyone missing out through lack of cards.

 

[wjemather]

Heard there is a proposal to require 10 out of last 20 to be in comps to qualify to enter any “major” events.

Is it reasonable or too much in your personal view?

It feels harsh to me, compared to the fact that before WHS all one needed was 3 competition rounds per year.

This is not an acceptable condition according to England Golf as it places a restriction on the submission of General Play scores.

That aside, no it isn't reasonable at all. Such restrictions also achieve nothing, and only provide a false sense of security about the veracity of handicaps meeting the requirements.
The only requirement should be for players to fulfil their responsibilities under the WHS Rules of Handicapping and submit sufficient scores to maintain an accurate handicap (comp or GP, it really doesn't matter).

 

[VVega]

This is not an acceptable condition according to England Golf as it places a restriction on the submission of General Play scores.

I think it’s generally accepted though as even an Open at Woodhall Spa ( the home of England golf) requires 5.

So it’s then a slippery slope of how many is too many…

 

[Arthur Wedge]

10 seems to extreme - we are at 4 and looking to go to 5

 

[Bunkermagnet]

From Jan 1st, we will be 8 qualifying cards required over the previous 12 months for all board and knockout comps. GP cards are not counted, so its comp or medals cards only.

 

[Imurg]

Depends on how "comp heavy" the club is.....
I think I counted around 30 comps that I could play in this year......I've managed 11.
The problem with demanding X number of competition cards in the 20 doesn't necessarily ensure an accurate handicap....all the counting scores could be comps, GPs or a mixture.
What does that tell you?
Not a great deal
We just need to have 6 qualifying scores in the last year.....of either variety.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The old system of 3 cards was rubbish, imo. That left the door wide open to inaccurate h/c. I don't think that is a great comparison.

I don't think my club has this restriction but most of the opens I play in have a 6-8 requirement, within the last 12 months as well, and so I make sure I qualify for them. It certainly puts me off posting GP cards regularly. Why would I do that if it stops me qualifying for comps that I enter?

I haven't heard of a requirement for 10 cards before. That's the highest number I've heard of.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

When the governing body puts restrictions in place for their opens you know there is a general undercurrent of a lack of trust of GP scores and HC Manipulation - it doesn’t come across as a surprise that clubs are increasing their restrictions

 

[Billysboots]

Our entry criteria are confusing to say the least. To enter board comps we have to have a minimum of 20 scores registered on our EG record, although there is no time stipulation attached to that so they can be very historic. But we have to have submitted three competition cards in the preceding rolling 12 months.

To enter any pairs board comps we have to have 20 scores registered on EG, plus we have to have played a minimum of five comps. For some events those five have to have been played during the preceding rolling 12 months, whilst for others they have to have been during the same calendar year. And whilst for some events those five comps can be any events, including midweek 9/18 hole comps, for others they can only be monthly medals, stablefords and other board comps.

And we’re led to believe the above is a simplified version of what went before. Which it absolutely isn’t. And it’s why there are cock ups with entries in almost every event.

 

[wjemather]

I think it’s generally accepted though as even an Open at Woodhall Spa ( the home of England golf) requires 5.

So it’s then a slippery slope of how many is too many…

As far as I can see, Woodhall Spa opens specify 3 comp scores in the previous 12 months to be eligible for a prize. There is absolutely nothing (real) that such a condition can achieve.

It's important to recognise the difference between requiring x comp scores in the previous y months, and requiring x comp scores in the previous y scores.
The former doesn't restrict the number of GP scores that can be submitted during that period but the latter does.

There also remains a lot of misunderstanding about EG's elite events policy, which is not a restriction in itself but rather a trigger for review. Unfortunately, there are some people who deliberately misrepresent this policy to perpetuate misunderstanding and confusion, and create/feed mistrust in the authorities/EG.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Our entry criteria are confusing to say the least. To enter board comps we have to have a minimum of 20 scores registered on our EG record, although there is no time stipulation attached to that so they can be very historic. But we have to have submitted three competition cards in the preceding rolling 12 months.

To enter any pairs board comps we have to have 20 scores registered on EG, plus we have to have played a minimum of five comps. For some events those five have to have been played during the preceding rolling 12 months, whilst for others they have to have been during the same calendar year. And whilst for some events those five comps can be any events, including midweek 9/18 hole comps, for others they can only be monthly medals, stablefords and other board comps.

And we’re led to believe the above is a simplified version of what went before. Which it absolutely isn’t. And it’s why there are cock ups with entries in almost every event.

I've read that 3 times and i'm still clueless

 

[Billysboots]

I've read that 3 times and i'm still clueless

I feel your pain. As does our Competition Secretary, who has been left to manage the mess.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Our entry criteria are confusing to say the least. To enter board comps we have to have a minimum of 20 scores registered on our EG record, although there is no time stipulation attached to that so they can be very historic. But we have to have submitted three competition cards in the preceding rolling 12 months.

To enter any pairs board comps we have to have 20 scores registered on EG, plus we have to have played a minimum of five comps. For some events those five have to have been played during the preceding rolling 12 months, whilst for others they have to have been during the same calendar year. And whilst for some events those five comps can be any events, including midweek 9/18 hole comps, for others they can only be monthly medals, stablefords and other board comps.

And we’re led to believe the above is a simplified version of what went before. Which it absolutely isn’t. And it’s why there are cock ups with entries in almost every event.

That is very confusing

That’s needs very much simplified

Would be also hard to administer as the ISVs wouldn’t be able to sort that out

 

[rulefan]

Heard there is a proposal to require 10 out of last 20 to be in comps to qualify to enter any “major” events.

Is it reasonable or too much in your personal view?

It feels harsh to me, compared to the fact that before WHS all one needed was 3 competition rounds per year.

Where did this come from? Who proposed it? Was it a major comp, county or just a club? I doubt it was any 'big boy'.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I feel your pain. As does our Competition Secretary, who has been left to manage the mess.

Are they going to choose one option and apply that to all? That seems like the logical solution.

 

[Billysboots]

Are they going to choose one option and apply that to all? That seems like the logical solution.

Knowing our lot they’ll complicate it a bit more.

 

[nickjdavis]

We only have a restriction in our "majors" to ensure that players don't just turn up for the "headline" events and support the club (albeit in such a small way so as it really makes not much difference) by having to have played 3 comps in the last 12 months.

Its nothing to do with handicaps.

 

[VVega]

Where did this come from? Who proposed it? Was it a major comp, county or just a club? I doubt it was any 'big boy'.

Sorry for the confusion, never implied it’s anyone but the club. Just for their trophy comps.