Comp rounds to enter “majors”

[wjemather]

Not sure if I have said this before.

Where I play we have a lot of member organised swindles/roll ups.

Would someone please explain the difference between a card returned from playing in one of these as compared to a card returned from playing in a club organised comp.

Personally I cannot see any difference but obviously one will show up on a players record as a comp and the other as as GP card.

On my own record the vast majority of scores come from playing in such swindles.

There is no difference, other than the process by which rounds are pre-registered and scores submitted.
However, GB&I guidance advises that clubs might want to setup these swindles/rollups as competitions on their ISV; by doing so, such scores would show up as competition scores - which is what they really are.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I often chuckle at the way some club golfers use the term "Majors."

At our club we refer to "Board Comps" in that you get your name in gold letters on a wooden board. I don't hear them being referred to as "Majors".
I agree that it would be laughable to do so.

 

[AussieKB]

Same here in OZ....Gold letter event or Name on Board.

 

[rulefan]

At our club we refer to "Board Comps" in that you get your name in gold letters on a wooden board. I don't hear them being referred to as "Majors".
I agree that it would be laughable to do so.

We no longer have gold lettered teak boards but much smaller internally illuminated computer controlled 'panels'.

 

[Voyager EMH]

We no longer have gold lettered teak boards but much smaller internally illuminated computer controlled 'panels'.

We have those on the holodeck on Voyager

 

[jim8flog]

Are these limited only to "members" of the swindle/roll up?

Most are limited by the number of tee slots available* so tend to have the same players in them every time. However given the number of such within the club there is plenty of opportunity for members to play in one of then e.g Saturdays there are 6 such swindles.

* each group does not a have a right to certain tee times and all members can book any tee time not allocated to other things such as matches by the club.

 

[jim8flog]

There is no difference, other than the process by which rounds are pre-registered and scores submitted.
However, GB&I guidance advises that clubs might want to setup these swindles/rollups as competitions on their ISV; by doing so, such scores would show up as competition scores - which is what they really are.

I know this is not something the club would want to do because there are so many such swindles e.g. on a Saturday there are 6 member organised swindles, each setting it it's own entry fees etc some play for the sort of money that most would not entertain so please no thoughts about combining them in to one.

 

[wjemather]

I know this is not something the club would want to do because there are so many such swindles e.g. on a Saturday there are 6 member organised swindles, each setting it it's own entry fees etc some play for the sort of money that most would not entertain so please no thoughts about combining them in to one.

A single comp setup on the club ISV would work just fine - each swindle can run their own side bets ("entry fees") as they do now. We have a club comp every Saturday, and there are many groups who do just this.
Having an entry fee for the 'club comp' would also bring money in and provide the opportunity to play additional competition golf for those outside the swindles.

 

[jim8flog]

A single comp setup on the club ISV would work just fine - each swindle can run their own side bets ("entry fees") as they do now. We have a club comp every Saturday, and there are many groups who do just this.
Having an entry fee for the 'club comp' would also bring money in and provide the opportunity to play additional competition golf for those outside the swindles.

We have plenty of club comps and I know plenty that do not go in them because they are not 'interested' in giving more money to the club. There is one particular Saturday swindle that do not play when the monthly Sat comp is played and play on our 9 hole course. There are many spaces on the booking sheet when there is a Saturday comp but hardly any when there is not one.

On a personal note I also no longer play in comps because winnings go to the proshop and there is nothing I need I want in there.

 

[rulefan]

We have plenty of club comps and I know plenty that do not go in them because they are not 'interested' in giving more money to the club. There is one particular Saturday swindle that do not play when the monthly Sat comp is played and play on our 9 hole course. There are many spaces on the booking sheet when there is a Saturday comp but hardly any when there is not one.

On a personal note I also no longer play in comps because winnings go to the proshop and there is nothing I need I want in there.

Do all entrants always enter their own scores as GPs? Why are they not set up as individual comps in their own right?

 

[IanM]

Do all entrants always enter their own scores as GPs? Why are they not set up as individual comps in their own right?

I bet they don't enter the scores. Maybe that's why they are playing in them

 

[jim8flog]

Do all entrants always enter their own scores as GPs? Why are they not set up as individual comps in their own right?

Players are submitting their own scores via EG app, IG app or PSI. Setting up as comp would require individual cards to be submitted to the office and office admin time.

Not all payers in a particular swindle are are submitting a GP score. In one I play in only 2 of us will do so in another it is very adhoc , some do it every time, some occasionally and some never. Often very weather dependent.

The club currently offers plenty of comps 3 or so every week and the management would argue that there is no need for any more comps organised by the club, I know the existing manager has argued at comp meetings that the number of comps should be reduced not increased. Setting up as comps involves office time to administer.

Whenever a club sets up a comp they want an entry fee and will take a cut as an admin charge. A lot of players would not be prepared to give the club even more money. It would need tee times set up and you can only book a tee time for that slot if you enter the comp. Booking out tee times for comps stops social members from booking those tee times, member organised swindles work on a flexible tee time basis.

 

[jim8flog]

I bet they don't enter the scores. Maybe that's why they are playing in them

What are you basing that comment on? Pure speculation!!

One swindle I play in you can only win the kitty if you enter a GP score and we do check the winners have done so.

 

[rulefan]

Not all payers in a particular swindle are are submitting a GP score. In one I play in only 2 of us will do so in another it is very adhoc , some do it every time, some occasionally and some never. Often very weather dependent.

So players are fiddling their handicaps then?

But I can see why the club doesn't want to be involved in the management.

 

[jim8flog]

So players are fiddling their handicaps then?

But I can see why the club doesn't want to be involved in the management.

How do you come to that conclusion? Just speculation on your part?

How is submitting a GP card in a swindle handicap manipulation?

Comes back to my original question - what is the difference between a card for handicap in a club organised comp and member organised swindle?

 

[wjemather]

Players are submitting their own scores via EG app, IG app or PSI. Setting up as comp would require individual cards to be submitted to the office and office admin time.

Not all payers in a particular swindle are are submitting a GP score. In one I play in only 2 of us will do so in another it is very adhoc , some do it every time, some occasionally and some never. Often very weather dependent.

The club currently offers plenty of comps 3 or so every week and the management would argue that there is no need for any more comps organised by the club, I know the existing manager has argued at comp meetings that the number of comps should be reduced not increased. Setting up as comps involves office time to administer.

Whenever a club sets up a comp they want an entry fee and will take a cut as an admin charge. A lot of players would not be prepared to give the club even more money. It would need tee times set up and you can only book a tee time for that slot if you enter the comp. Booking out tee times for comps stops social members from booking those tee times, member organised swindles work on a flexible tee time basis.

You say you have plenty of comps and "3 or so" comps a week, but also indicated you only have one Saturday comp a month, which certainly isn't offering much competition golf to those who (can) only play weekends (or Saturdays).

There is clearly the appetite for more competitions as you have groups running their own. Sounds like you need volunteer(s) to take on running competitions, if club management/the office is not interested in catering to the membership (I assume this isn't a members club?).

PS. there is certainly no requirement setup tee times for comps or to block out tee times for them. For example, with the exception of trophy/board comp days, we run regular comps every Saturday and Sunday that are optional entry (i.e. rollup entry in the pro shop on the day).

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s always the same

People will play their member run swindles how they see best

Some will put cards in , some won’t

Some will have their own system , some will use WHS

It doesn’t really matter what those members do at the end of the day

 

[IanM]

What are you basing that comment on? Pure speculation!!

One swindle I play in you can only win the kitty if you enter a GP score and we do check the winners have done so.

No, just a joke based on the notion that "some" people are doing their own thing, rather than play in the club comp.

 

[rulefan]

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How do you come to that conclusion? Just speculation on your part?

How is submitting a GP card in a swindle handicap manipulation?

Comes back to my original question - what is the difference between a card for handicap in a club organised comp and member organised swindle?

"Not all payers in a particular swindle are are submitting a GP score."

On what grounds do they justify not submitting cards when others are?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

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"Not all payers in a particular swindle are are submitting a GP score."

On what grounds do they justify not submitting cards when others are?

Maybe because they don’t want too or they play gimmies etc