Club's compensation package for lockdown 3.

[DanFST]

My point is obvious, read the thread.

Oh, your making assumptions about someone, with no facts. Got it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Really?

Was nobody furloughed and able to play 7 days a week for months on end?

How about those who were working less than normal and were able to play more?

Some people are conveniently ignoring the many, many extra games they played during the good weather, but are conveniently forgetting they wouldn't have played much anyway in winter.

That’s smoke and mirrors, you pay for 12 months, if you as an individual play 1 day or 365 it’s irrelevant, the Club don’t care, they have your money, if something out of your or there control then Clubs should at least communicate.

I certainly don’t agree with a full third rebate and in our case I’m happy with no rebate as we have took on substantial works this year.

You have to treat members as 1, not differentiate between rounds played or whether they worked or not all year.

 

[D-S]

It seems to me that this thread really shows the difference between those that want to be a member of a golf club and those that merely want a season ticket to a golf course.

 

[Captainron]

It seems to me that this thread really shows the difference between those that want to be a member of a golf club and those that merely want a season ticket to a golf course.

Spot on. A golf club is a place where you relax, make friends, spend time and play golf. You should try and add to the place as you should be made to feel like a member and not just a cash source.

All some people think of is (as an example)
Subs £1000
Rounds played 54
£18.50 a round! Bargain when it’s £45 to visit. I’ve made money!!!! Yes!!!! Booya. Totally worth it.

Same muppet plays 15 rounds the next year and it’s £66 a smash and all of a sudden it’s, Oh no! Waste of money. I won’t bother next year. Rather pay on as a visitor and then bombs out. Joins another club for “value for money” until they think it isn’t again.

That’s not a golf club member. That’s a transient who makes no real friends. Adds nothing to the place and probably doesn’t have a drink or a meal at the place. Pitch up, play, go home. Not for me.

Loads of folk I know here have been long standing members at their clubs and it shows when you talk to them about where they play. They love the place. They’re part of the place. They have a group of mates, they have played for the club in matches. They are proud to be there. You don’t see them queuing up with their hands out because they have had more out of the club in experience, friendship and fun than a few quid are worth!

 

[Steve Wilkes]

It seems to me that this thread really shows the difference between those that want to be a member of a golf club and those that merely want a season ticket to a golf course.

And those who would give their wages back to their employer when they can't work cause they've stubbed their tow, or have a two day flu or migraine

 

[Deleted member 15344]

a fee for the OP

It was clear early jan that clubs were going to close for a significant period and you had the choice to stop DD but didn’t

You decided to leave the club at the end of your membership year

The club have decided to offer credit for the members or on bar card ?

So if you want to get the credit why don’t you stay at the club ?

There are many clubs that are giving nothing because they won’t be able to afford it and many clubs are putting it onto bar cards so they get money back into the club


I really can’t see any issue with what the club have done here and certainly don’t think you should get any pro shop credits when you walked away from the club l.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It seems to me that this thread really shows the difference between those that want to be a member of a golf club and those that merely want a season ticket to a golf course.

Certainly does seem to be the case but it also appears that I am personally unrepresentative in that I have been a member of the same club for 39 years.

I reckon I have got more benefit from this membership than it has cost me over those years.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There's no smoke and mirrors.

I'm paying the highest I've ever paid, but I had full access to the course last year every day of every other week, which more than makes up for the games I've "lost" during lockdowns 2 and 3.

It's not the club's fault they had to close, the club is losing massive amounts of money in F&B, to try and get a rebate would be ridiculous.

Sorry mate, not sure what F&B is?

As for your other point, at the beginning of any normally year we/you pay the relevant fee to suit your lifestyle, how many times you play is only relevant to you if you are looking at it at cost per round, the Club doesn’t care.

As has been proved on this thread and the other one, there are a lot of Clubs that are compensating members and plenty that are doing nothing, there is “no one solution fits all” and apart ftom 1 post I haven’t seen anyone turn compensation down.

It doesn’t mean it’s wrong for members to ask.

 

[Blue in Munich]

That’s smoke and mirrors, you pay for 12 months, if you as an individual play 1 day or 365 it’s irrelevant, the Club don’t care, they have your money, if something out of your or there control then Clubs should at least communicate.

I certainly don’t agree with a full third rebate and in our case I’m happy with no rebate as we have took on substantial works this year.

You have to treat members as 1, not differentiate between rounds played or whether they worked or not all year.

The smoke & mirrors for me are the number of people holding clubs responsible for a decision completely out of their control. It is not the golf club that people should have an issue with, it is the Government, especially as it has been proven that golf was a safe activity to undertake.

 

[Papas1982]

Spot on. A golf club is a place where you relax, make friends, spend time and play golf. You should try and add to the place as you should be made to feel like a member and not just a cash source.

All some people think of is (as an example)
Subs £1000
Rounds played 54
£18.50 a round! Bargain when it’s £45 to visit. I’ve made money!!!! Yes!!!! Booya. Totally worth it.

Same muppet plays 15 rounds the next year and it’s £66 a smash and all of a sudden it’s, Oh no! Waste of money. I won’t bother next year. Rather pay on as a visitor and then bombs out. Joins another club for “value for money” until they think it isn’t again.

That’s not a golf club member. That’s a transient who makes no real friends. Adds nothing to the place and probably doesn’t have a drink or a meal at the place. Pitch up, play, go home. Not for me.

Loads of folk I know here have been long standing members at their clubs and it shows when you talk to them about where they play. They love the place. They’re part of the place. They have a group of mates, they have played for the club in matches. They are proud to be there. You don’t see them queuing up with their hands out because they have had more out of the club in experience, friendship and fun than a few quid are worth!

Oi!

I said it cost me £18 a round thank you very much!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The smoke & mirrors for me are the number of people holding clubs responsible for a decision completely out of their control. It is not the golf club that people should have an issue with, it is the Government, especially as it has been proven that golf was a safe activity to undertake.

That’s the P word and a different thread.

 

[MendieGK]

Most golfers are not really getting what they paid for, if we round it up a few days it's about £300 for me.

I've personally decided to just keep paying and not worry about it for 2 reasons:
1. I pay a bit less than most members anyway, and
2. Bearing in mind what has happened to millions of people's finances, I think not moaning about it is the right way forward.

I've been very, very lucky work wise through all of this, 300 quid is just my very, very small penalty to pay in my head. The weather has been gash anyway.

This is exactly my view

 

[doublebogey7]

It seems to me that this thread really shows the difference between those that want to be a member of a golf club and those that merely want a season ticket to a golf course.

And that Is also basically ths difference between and member owned club and a privately owned one, so all are facilitated. I would guess though some here happen to be a member of the wrong one for them.

 

[evemccc]

@r0wly86 If you are paying £100 a month to be a member of a golf club and it’s impacting your standard of living then you need to re-evaluate your choices.

Why?

The way you’ve written this comes across as, at best, pretty arrogant

 

[evemccc]

No it doesn't.

Why not read the whole
discussion first.

I have no idea who you or the other two people referred to above are and I doubt they know anything of each other’s circumstances, outgoings and financial commitments.

Telling someone they NEED to reevaluate their choices strikes me as condescending and arrogant, in the way it was written

 

[Captainron]

Why?

The way you’ve written this comes across as, at best, pretty arrogant

I’m simply saying that if someone is prioritising a golf membership ahead of keeping their basic needs (housing, food, clothing etc) and this is causing a financial hardship then they should re-evaluate their choice to keep that membership. The poster was insinuating that he was unable to carry on as normal without his club refunding him his £100 per month membership. That’s not arrogance but rather common sense.

 

[Kennysarmy]

I think there is a big difference between some members clubs and some proprietary ones. Ours for example is a proprietary club charging nearly £1800. We have not yet received any information regarding rebates/ compensation for loss of golf which =approximately £600. As a business the directors take out a considerably large dividend when times are good, however this golfing year they have been unable to offer us what we pay for and I personally am expecting to be nearly fully repaid.

Good luck with that, be interested to hear how you get on.

 

[Yorkhacker]

Telling someone they NEED to reevaluate their choices strikes me as condescending and arrogant, in the way it was written

IMHO if you're not earning enough to be able to afford the the things you require for day to day living, you shouldn't be a member of a golf club that you can't comfortably afford, no matter how much you love the game . You shouldn't NEED to be told that.

 

[sunshine]

I have no idea who you or the other two people referred to above are and I doubt they know anything of each other’s circumstances, outgoings and financial commitments.

Telling someone they NEED to reevaluate their choices strikes me as condescending and arrogant, in the way it was written

The guy has said that paying his golf membership is causing his family stress.

Golf is a luxury. Whether he gets to play or not he’s still spending £100 a month on it.

 

[sunshine]

Really?

Was nobody furloughed and able to play 7 days a week for months on end?

How about those who were working less than normal and were able to play more?

Some people are conveniently ignoring the many, many extra games they played during the good weather, but are conveniently forgetting they wouldn't have played much anyway in winter.

I was nodding in agreement with all your comments until this post.

I only know a couple of people who were furloughed. You can’t make decisions based on one small group of people who were able to play every day. They were the winners.

I’m not campaigning for a rebate but I think a club has to look after the majority membership as a whole.