Club's compensation package for lockdown 3.

[jim8flog]

Do you close your clubhouse when the course is closed?

Not if it is just closed for bad weather. We are open to the general public as a pay and play facility. I do not know if tis makes a difference. Our 9 hole course can be closed for several days, occasionally weeks due to flooding, the Environment Agency has the right to treat it as a flood relief area and again this might be part of the reason.

We had a seriously good treasurer a few years back and he found all this out in his term of office.

 

[jim8flog]

thinking about it a bit more, i'd be more inclined to want a rebate of some sort if i was at a Proprietary club than a members club, one is making money from what they charge you, or at least trying to. Members clubs its just to run the place not for profit

Not quite sure that stacks up.

I cannot see the running costs of a proprietary club and a members club being that much different.

Our members club is run as a business and needs to be run on a sound financial footing with the aim being to make a profit and not a loss.

 

[doublebogey7]

Not quite sure that stacks up.

I cannot see the running costs of a proprietary club and a members club being that much different.

Our members club is run as a business and needs to be run on a sound financial footing with the aim being to make a profit and not a loss.

The difference is that in the good years a propriety may take money out of the club, in which case members, or as I prefer, season ticket holders, should not have to foot the bill in the bad years. I do appreciate though that it is not always the case.

 

[patricks148]

Not quite sure that stacks up.

I cannot see the running costs of a proprietary club and a members club being that much different.

Our members club is run as a business and needs to be run on a sound financial footing with the aim being to make a profit and not a loss.

Ok so where does the profit go from your members club and where will it got for a proprietary???

 

[D-S]

Ok so where does the profit go from your members club and where will it got for a proprietary???

Quite simply in a members club it will be 100% reinvested into the club in some way shape or form. Maybe in course or clubhouse equipment or infrastructure. Perhaps it will be used to reduce prices of food and beverage or even to subsidise subscription levels. There is no where else to put it bar the Club.
In a proprietary club it is entirely down to the owner, they could reinvest into the club, facilities or members , pay off any debt or simply pocket it.

 

[patricks148]

Quite simply in a members club it will be 100% reinvested into the club in some way shape or form. Maybe in course or clubhouse equipment or infrastructure. Perhaps it will be used to reduce prices of food and beverage or even to subsidise subscription levels. There is no where else to put it bar the Club.
In a proprietary club it is entirely down to the owner, they could reinvest into the club, facilities or members , pay off any debt or simply pocket it.

yes i know where it goes the questions was aimed at the reply to my post where " it doesn't stack up"

 

[jim8flog]

yes i know where it goes the questions was aimed at the reply to my post where " it doesn't stack up"

As per D-S

Any body who runs a business does not necessarily put the profits (if there are any in the first place) in to their pockets many will make further investment in to the business.

As an aside, If I had invested millions of my own money into starting up a business and it was sole source of income I would expecting to be taking something out of the business to live on.

 

[patricks148]

As per D-S

Any body who runs a business does not necessarily put the profits (if there are any in the first place) in to their pockets many will make further investment in to the business.

As an aside, If I had invested millions of my own money into starting up a business and it was sole source of income I would expecting to be taking something out of the business to live on.

of course you would, but why whould you pay someone thats making money from it not to use it???

i have no problem paying a members club as its whats being invested back in the club, i would feel different about a prop club thats all

 

[RichA]

We're all different. Our clubs are all different. I chose a small, local, private, beautiful but rough around the edges club because it's £610 per year for unlimited golf. I don't think the owner is trousering a fortune in profits, but he is providing a living for a dozen or so local people.
The local big member owned club costs £1250 entry fee plus £1250 per year to be a member. That wasn't for me - I'd be hacked off at the moment if I'd laid out £2500 and missed 4 months of golf.
I don't pretend to know the answers or wish to tell others how to live their lives, but there are always choices.

 

[Kennysarmy]

Ok so where does the profit go from your members club and where will it got for a proprietary???

As an example of how our proprietary club is run, a few years ago it was club championship day, two rounds on one day. It was baking hot. After my second round and a shower I went in to the bar to get a drink and a meal only to be told they had stopped serving food!

I guess the owners had worked out it was not "profitable" to keep the chef on passed a certain time even on club championship day!!!

 

[nickjdavis]

I feel exceptionally hard done by this last year as I haven't got the most from my free membership as Club Captain.

I think I should get a refund of the fees that I didn't pay for the period when I couldn't play golf.

 

[full_throttle]

Our renewal date has moved from April 1 to May 1. All members renewing their membership will get a discount on their fees equivalent of one months fees. Prices have been frozen for a second year.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I feel exceptionally hard done by this last year as I haven't got the most from my free membership as Club Captain.

I think I should get a refund of the fees that I didn't pay for the period when I couldn't play golf.

Are you being extended? Our Captain & Vice Captain have been extended for another year, or will be assuming the AGM ratifies the recommendation.

 

[jim8flog]

I feel exceptionally hard done by this last year as I haven't got the most from my free membership as Club Captain.

I think I should get a refund of the fees that I didn't pay for the period when I couldn't play golf.

And all the free rounds of golf you would have had at other courses.

 

[SammmeBee]

And all the free rounds of golf you would have had at other courses.

Thankfully all that nonsense has been stopped now.....!

 

[nickjdavis]

Are you being extended? Our Captain & Vice Captain have been extended for another year, or will be assuming the AGM ratifies the recommendation.

No. This is my second stint as Captain and after the first (7 years ago) I said "never again" whilst I was in full time employment...whilst proud to be asked to return as Club Captain it was something I accepted with a degree of reluctance as there were no people seemingly willing to put themselves forward. Whilst the normal Captains activities have largely been curtailed by "global events" the workload was more than made up for with the fumbling implementation of the WHS, which I took on a highly active role within the club to ensure a smooth transition.

The Ladies and Seniors Captains have chosen to extend for another year but I've declined...I will continue to support the new Captain as "immediate Past Captain" and will also continue as Treasurer (a role I've fulfilled for the last 5 years or so) for the next year.

After that I'm going to be like Steve Redgrave and if you ever see me near a committee again you can shoot me.

(Famous last words )

 

[nickjdavis]

And all the free rounds of golf you would have had at other courses.

In two stints as Captain I never had a free round at any course anywhere.

I only ever asked once, as a means of helping reduce the costs for a group of golfers who were playing Royal St. Georges, but courtesy was declined.

 

[Blue in Munich]

No. This is my second stint as Captain and after the first (7 years ago) I said "never again" whilst I was in full time employment...whilst proud to be asked to return as Club Captain it was something I accepted with a degree of reluctance as there were no people seemingly willing to put themselves forward. Whilst the normal Captains activities have largely been curtailed by "global events" the workload was more than made up for with the fumbling implementation of the WHS, which I took on a highly active role within the club to ensure a smooth transition.

The Ladies and Seniors Captains have chosen to extend for another year but I've declined...I will continue to support the new Captain as "immediate Past Captain" and will also continue as Treasurer (a role I've fulfilled for the last 5 years or so) for the next year.

After that I'm going to be like Steve Redgrave and if you ever see me near a committee again you can shoot me.

(Famous last words )

Fair enough, was thinking you might have been deprived by the circumstances but you're obviously happy to pass on the baton.

 

[nickjdavis]

Fair enough, was thinking you might have been deprived by the circumstances but you're obviously happy to pass on the baton.

more like most British relay teams and either drop the baton or throw it wildly in the general direction of the next man!!!

Seriously though....it is a great honour and I do enjoy the challenges it throws up in a strange perverted way, but having seen my game decline over the last 5 years or so I really want to just get out now and enjoy my golf, work on my game and drag myself back down into mid single figures again.

 

[jim8flog]

In two stints as Captain I never had a free round at any course anywhere.

I only ever asked once, as a means of helping reduce the costs for a group of golfers who were playing Royal St. Georges, but courtesy was declined.

We had one Captain who took this courtesy to an extreme and it was getting talked about in circles outside of our club. He never played anywhere where they would not give him courtesy of the course apparently.