Clocks go back to GMT tonight!

[Deleted member 15344]

Just buy them Hi-Vis vests and stop pandering over them, if they weren't all looking at their mobiles texting and looking where they should be walking it shouldn't be an issue, not sure about the stats of cars mounting pavements hitting school children walking in the dark, but hey, sure you'll be googling it by now, maybe if they all used proper zebra crossings also

Now, don't get me going on cyclist (and pedestrians) with earphones in listening to music/radio and coming on & off the pavements totally absorbed in what their listening to rather than being aware of what's around them, pedestrians are part of the highway code also, you know :smirk:

Kids run out in the road - it happens - they are kids , they chase the football or cat into the road without thinking beacuse they are kids - so would rather if that is going to happen it is in broad daylight so the driver can see them a bit better.

Its more than just them getting hit by cars whilst walking to school - makes it a damn sight harder for a kid to be snatched whilst in broad daylight and making kids walk to school in dark will just add more cars to the road whilst mothers wont want their kids to walk to school in the dark so will drive them instead

 

[Fish]

Kids run out in the road - it happens - they are kids , they chase the football or cat into the road without thinking beacuse they are kids - so would rather if that is going to happen it is in broad daylight so the driver can see them a bit better.

Its more than just them getting hit by cars whilst walking to school - makes it a damn sight harder for a kid to be snatched whilst in broad daylight and making kids walk to school in dark will just add more cars to the road whilst mothers wont want their kids to walk to school in the dark so will drive them instead

So your kids are allowed to kick a football on the pavement next to busy roads, hmm, if "kids" are that immature they also chase cats into the road maybe their too young to be on their own and should be chaperoned?

Maybe lessons on road safety and the responsibilities of pedestrians as per the highways code act would be better served being taught in school as early as possible and continually.

As for kids being snatched, do we live in that fear, seriously, are kids (age dependent) all in before it gets dark when out playing after school and at weekends, are they only allowed to play in the garden, how much do you want to restrict children and wrap them in cotton wool, walk to school in groups, wear bright colours, be aware of the dangers (traffic) around you, they need to learn not be pampered too much,IMO.

and.. by your own description (Sterling), I assume "kids" are all up to the age of 16/17 :smirk:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So your kids are allowed to kick a football on the pavement next to busy roads, hmm, if "kids" are that immature they also chase cats into the road maybe their too young to be on their own and should be chaperoned?

Maybe lessons on road safety and the responsibilities of pedestrians as per the highways code act would be better served being taught in school as early as possible and continually.

As for kids being snatched, do we live in that fear, seriously, are kids (age dependent) all in before it gets dark when out playing after school and at weekends, are they only allowed to play in the garden, how much do you want to restrict children and wrap them in cotton wool, walk to school in groups, wear bright colours, be aware of the dangers (traffic) around you, they need to learn not be pampered too much,IMO.

and.. by your own description (Sterling), I assume "kids" are all up to the age of 16/17 :smirk:

All this because the clocks go back to allow more daylight in the morning ?

If only all kids were so discliplined - maybe they should be marched up to school and any straying will result in punishment - lets regiment them and ensure they dont act like - ummm kids !

 

[richy]

So your kids are allowed to kick a football on the pavement next to busy roads, hmm, if "kids" are that immature they also chase cats into the road maybe their too young to be on their own and should be chaperoned?

Maybe lessons on road safety and the responsibilities of pedestrians as per the highways code act would be better served being taught in school as early as possible and continually.

As for kids being snatched, do we live in that fear, seriously, are kids (age dependent) all in before it gets dark when out playing after school and at weekends, are they only allowed to play in the garden, how much do you want to restrict children and wrap them in cotton wool, walk to school in groups, wear bright colours, be aware of the dangers (traffic) around you, they need to learn not be pampered too much,IMO.

and.. by your own description (Sterling), I assume "kids" are all up to the age of 16/17 :smirk:

How many kids do you have?

 

[delc]

It was light before 6.30am this morning, an hour and half before I needed to get up, but it will be dark just after 5pm. GMT is just Daylight Robbery as far as I am concerned! :angry:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was light before 6.30am this morning, an hour and half before I needed to get up, but it will be dark just after 5pm. GMT is just Daylight Robbery as far as I am concerned! :angry:

And ?

Again would you prefer to see the kids in this country go to school in the dark or is your priority businessmen who dont finish until after 5

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It was light before 6.30am this morning, an hour and half before I needed to get up, but it will be dark just after 5pm. GMT is just Daylight Robbery as far as I am concerned! :angry:

There is your solution..........get up earlier and enjoy the daylight.

Otherwise, what would you do with your 30 minutes of dusk time?

 

[c1973]

What about businessmen who suffer from SAD and don't get any natural daylight (which helps with SAD)?
Is their health and wellbeing not important?

Fish does make a relevant comment about kids being in when it's dark though.

Maybe we should put a curfew on the snottery little oiks and force parents to keep them in when it is dark. For their own safety obviously.


Agree about kids being wrapped in cotton wool btw, but that's probably for another debate.

 

[SaintHacker]

Phil, I think you're arguing with yourself a bit here. We're now at GMT, the 'correct' time. The clocks go forward an hour during the lighter days, I think it was done originally to allow farmers an extra hours daylight to harvest their crops. If we stopped putting the clocks forward kids would still go to school/come home in daylight.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What about businessmen who suffer from SAD and don't get any natural daylight (which helps with SAD)?
Is their health and wellbeing not important?

Fish does make a relevant comment about kids being in when it's dark though.

Maybe we should put a curfew on the snottery little oiks and force parents to keep them in when it is dark. For their own safety obviously.


Agree about kids being wrapped in cotton wool btw, but that's probably for another debate.

They get sunlight in the morning and can go outside for lunch to get some light - even if the clocks didnt go backwards it would start to get dark around 5:30 ish - so it would be dark when they go to work and dark when they finish.

Plenty of chances for people to get natural light during the day

And kids just dont play outside in the dark anymore - because of things that have happened over the last two decades kids are protected more .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, I think you're arguing with yourself a bit here. We're now at GMT, the 'correct' time. The clocks go forward an hour during the lighter days, I think it was done originally to allow farmers an extra hours daylight to harvest their crops. If we stopped putting the clocks forward kids would still go to school/come home in daylight.

But the argument is to stop bringing the clocks back to GMT and keep it at BST

 

[c1973]

They get sunlight in the morning and can go outside for lunch to get some light - even if the clocks didnt go backwards it would start to get dark around 5:30 ish - so it would be dark when they go to work and dark when they finish.

Plenty of chances for people to get natural light during the day

And kids just dont play outside in the dark anymore - because of things that have happened over the last two decades kids are protected more .

That's quite simply not true.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's quite simply not true.

Appears true around my area when i dont see any kids outside in the dark and my friends kids dont go outside in the dark and my nieces and nephews all come in when it gets dark

And i totally understand why parents would prefer their kids to come inside when it gets dark

 

[c1973]

Appears true around my area when i dont see any kids outside in the dark and my friends kids dont go outside in the dark and my nieces and nephews all come in when it gets dark

And i totally understand why parents would prefer their kids to come inside when it gets dark

Not true round my way. Which makes your original statement incorrect.

Mind you the kids round my way will in all probability be tooled up!!

 

[User20205]

Wow, this is one of the most enlightened (teehee) and enjoyable debates I've ever had the pleasure to witness on here. I look forward to returning home later to see which tenuous, extreme example can cited as a mainstream reason, or otherwise. :thup:

Please carry on, I'm am entertained

 

[Fish]

They get sunlight in the morning and can go outside for lunch to get some light - even if the clocks didnt go backwards it would start to get dark around 5:30 ish - so it would be dark when they go to work and dark when they finish.

Plenty of chances for people to get natural light during the day

And kids just dont play outside in the dark anymore - because of things that have happened over the last two decades kids are protected more .

No, its because of XBox, Playstations and all the other gizmo's that keep them in bedrooms texting to their mates for hours, can't remember the last time I saw a pair of kids playing kerby, they can't race the entry's because of metal gates and what ever happened to good old scrumping

Nothing to do with the fear of being snatched!

 

[CMAC]

I think the original reason was to assist Farmers to have a lighter morning to get their Cows in the sheds for milking. As we dont have many dairy farms left then its not so relevant now. Regarding kids going to school: Why are they in danger going to School if it's dark? Wont help kids in the North, its dark most of the day there.

Phil, I think you're arguing with yourself a bit here. We're now at GMT, the 'correct' time. The clocks go forward an hour during the lighter days, I think it was done originally to allow farmers an extra hours daylight to harvest their crops. If we stopped putting the clocks forward kids would still go to school/come home in daylight.

common misconception. When you think about it a clock doesnt dictate when a farmer does anything- daylight does.

The main UK reason was a power saving one especially WW1 WW11 when business's could start when it was lighter saving light power, critical during the war years.

Most schools finish at 3pm or 3.30pm these days- plenty of light then under BST

 

[Qwerty]

Just out of interest (and I cannot be ersed checking 'stats etc) I wonder if Theres an noticeable increase in accidents in a busy place like Inverness during the winter months compared to the rest of the uk.

Would there really be an increase in accidents when it's dark though? I'd possibly argue that its easier for a child to see a car with headlights on in darkness than without in daylight, and also for the driver to see a child.

 

[SaintHacker]

Seems like its got naff all to do with farmers at all, its to stop idiots killing themselves when it gets dark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time

 

[Deleted member 15344]

common misconception. When you think about it a clock doesnt dictate when a farmer does anything- daylight does.

The main UK reason was a power saving one especially WW1 WW11 when business's could start when it was lighter saving light power, critical during the war years.

Most schools finish at 3pm or 3.30pm these days- plenty of light then under BST

Think its more about the sunlight in the morning