surefire
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When will these so called "experts", just admit they don't really know what and why is going on?
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Climate change "experts" just making it up?
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Ah but the 'Global Warm-istas' will tell you that all this 'unusual' amount of heavy snowfall is because of climate change!!!
The_LHC
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You're quoting a TEN YEAR OLD article to support your non-argument? Brilliant, well done...
need_my_wedge
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He wasn't totally wrong
Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.
Isn't "climate change" just that, we have changed a bit since 2000 when the report was first made haven't we?
Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.
Isn't "climate change" just that, we have changed a bit since 2000 when the report was first made haven't we?
The_LHC
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And you know better because of what?
When will people understand that local weather is not the same as the global climate? Average atmospheric temperatures for the whole planet are getting higher and higher, you can't dispute that.
If you want to know why we've had two cold winters I'll tell you. As the north pole melts massive amounts of cold water flood down into the North Atlantic, pushing the gulfstream, the warm water current that crosses the Atlantic, dragging warm air with it, which is responsible for keeping us much warmer than we should be, further south, so that it hits lower Europe, rather than bathing us with warm water and air, therefore all those nice chilly breezes from the Arctic have free rein bring freezing cold temperatures to us and make people say stupid things like "cor, I wish we DID have global warming!".
The only people that don't believe the climate is changing is those who's businesses will suffer and those who can't be bothered to do any basic research into the data.
surefire
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That was the whole point.
A current article telling us we won't have snow in the future would mean we have to wait a while to see what happened next.
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Don't think I actually said I did know better! Just trying to illustrate that those who 'believe' can be just as fanatical as those who don't!! Thanks for the explanation though - very informative.
Personally I think in 'winter' it's not too much to expect snow and freezing temperatures; and in 'summer' lots of sun and high temperatures!! Something I learnt in primary school and from actual first hand experience from about the age of 6 onwards!!
surefire
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LHC:
Before this goes completely off the rails, re-read my original post. I'm not doubting climate change both globally and locally.
I am doubting that people can both fully understand exactly what and why is happening and do much about it.
In the big scheme of the world and the universe, humans are pretty insignificant, despite what some of them would like to think.
Before this goes completely off the rails, re-read my original post. I'm not doubting climate change both globally and locally.
I am doubting that people can both fully understand exactly what and why is happening and do much about it.
In the big scheme of the world and the universe, humans are pretty insignificant, despite what some of them would like to think.
drawboy
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The amount of time we have been on this planet and the shorter amount of time we have been able to predict the weather with any amount of success means that we know diddly squat about the weather changes on this planet. So it's getting warmer by a couple of degrees, so what, no human is qualified to predict what that means. Look at the dinosaurs, we know they were here because of their bones but that doesn't mean we know why they no longer are here. Comets, Ice ages, disease all speculation, which is excatly what anyone having a guess at climate change is doing, speculating.
If I had a degree in science I could reasonably expect to release my theory on climate change and do you know what if I got enough people to agree with me it would be accepted as fact. We're just guessing. We have no idea how the weater has changed over the billions of years it has been in excistance.
If I had a degree in science I could reasonably expect to release my theory on climate change and do you know what if I got enough people to agree with me it would be accepted as fact. We're just guessing. We have no idea how the weater has changed over the billions of years it has been in excistance.
toonarmy
Q-School Graduate
'Climate' is not a static phenomenon ergo it is perpetually changing.
'Climate Change' has become the modern euphemism for the ol' 80s classic 'Global Warming'. 'GW', as a theory, is fine. As a reality, it is utter pish.
There is no definitive science to prove either standpoint categorically. On this basis, to formulate world/national policy based on CC as a fact is both disingenuous and dangerous.
But given that you seem to love sweeping, unsubstantiated generalisations about millions of people, I don't suppose this poses you any difficulties does it?
Unless you can categorically prove a case for CC/GW, you are in no position to make such statements about who does/doesn't believe in it (and if it is a fact, then belief ceases to be a factor) and what their motivations for that will be. Or what research they may have done or otherwise.
Try basing your argument on some sound principles next time, rather than arrogantly dictating terms to us. There's a nice chap.
viscount17
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let's be honest, he was going for a pretty easy target. he could have said that about any winter in any century and been right. We are NEVER prepared for winter!
The_LHC
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No, the point is ten-years is an eternity in science, especially something that's still in its infancy like Climatology. Climate scientists currently can only tell us what's happening from measurement, they're no where near explaining, in any detail, how the mechanisms work. That makes prediction VERY difficult. To accurately model the Earth's climate would require a supercomputer way beyond the capabilities of anything even the Chinese have designed. We don't even have a full picture of what should go in the model.
surefire
Challenge Tour Pro
No, I'm pretty sure that wasn't my point when I posted the article.
Unless you do mind reading as well as climate change, and that in fact was my point, and I just articulated it wrong!
Unless you do mind reading as well as climate change, and that in fact was my point, and I just articulated it wrong!
bobmac
Major Champion
Personally I think in 'winter' it's not too much to expect snow and freezing temperatures; and in 'summer' lots of sun and high temperatures!! Something I learnt in primary school and from actual first hand experience and from about the age of 6 I also discovered that I can eat pies equally in summer and winter
I'm going to PC World this afternoon. I'll
see if they've got any in
The_LHC
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'Climate' is not a static phenomenon ergo it is perpetually changing.
'Climate Change' has become the modern euphemism for the ol' 80s classic 'Global Warming'. 'GW', as a theory, is fine. As a reality, it is utter pish.
There is no definitive science to prove either standpoint categorically. On this basis, to formulate world/national policy based on CC as a fact is both disingenuous and dangerous.
But given that you seem to love sweeping, unsubstantiated generalisations about millions of people, I don't suppose this poses you any difficulties does it?
Unless you can categorically prove a case for CC/GW, you are in no position to make such statements about who does/doesn't believe in it (and if it is a fact, then belief ceases to be a factor) and what their motivations for that will be. Or what research they may have done or otherwise.
Try basing your argument on some sound principles next time, rather than arrogantly dictating terms to us. There's a nice chap.
Do me a favour, the basic data, average global temperatures, have been rising for as long as we've been measuring them, more to the point the rate of increase is speeding up. That is beyond question. If you think otherwise you are, to put it bluntly, deluded. It's empirical data, it isn't up for debate. The causes and effects might be but not the data itself.
Now, you'll note that at no point have I said that I think we're responsible for it, that point is still to be proven, however it's also beyond question that our output of greenhouse gases has increased rapidly during the same period. Now you can choose to think that's a coincidence if you wish or they could be linked.
It's a known fact that the poles have been free of ice on a number of occasions during geological history, that in itself isn't unusual. As I said it's not that the climate is changing that's unusual, it's the speed of the change that we know is faster than at any time in history (as seen from polar ice core studies).
As to the comment that there's no definitive science, 99% of climate scientists are in agreement with the basic facts, if not the interpretation of those facts.
The_LHC
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No, it was my point though.
surefire
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They may or may not be linked be linked, but even if they are correlation and causality are not the same thing.
RichardC
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But do you believe that us mere mortals can do anything to stop this happening?
surefire
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I'm going to PC World this afternoon. I'll
see if they've got any in
Can I recommend Watson?
In fact I might even be able to get you one cheap, depending on whether it wins jeopardy or not!
USER1999
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Yes, we can pay lots more tax. That'll stop it.
