Changing right to left handed

[rulefan]

it's against the spirit of the game.

[h=2]The Spirit of the Game[/h]........... The game relies on the integrity of the individual .................................. to abide by the Rules.

 

[clubchamp98]

The Spirit of the Game

........... The game relies on the integrity of the individual .................................. to abide by the Rules.

If I take a wide stance to make sure I stand on a path then take relief under the rules is that in the spirit of the game.

some people take advantage but that's life!.

 

[rulefan]

If I take a wide stance to make sure I stand on a path then take relief under the rules is that in the spirit of the game.

A wider stance than normal or is necessary would be treated as abnormal and therefore in breach of the rule.

There is a clip of such a situation on the web somewhere. Colin may know where.

 

[Colin L]

I recollect seeing a video of an attempt by a tour player to get relief through an exaggerated stance but can't offhand recall where it is. If it comes back to mind I'll post it.

 

[Three]

I recollect seeing a video of an attempt by a tour player to get relief through an exaggerated stance but can't offhand recall where it is. If it comes back to mind I'll post it.

David Frost at the Open?

 

[Three]

A wider stance than normal or is necessary would be treated as abnormal and therefore in breach of the rule.

There is a clip of such a situation on the web somewhere. Colin may know where.

So you feel you would be able to make a judgement based on the distance between someone's feet, yet would be completely unable to spot a player making an obviously fabricated choice of club and dexterity purely in order to get a free drop?

Seriously?

 

[Three]

Do you never take the 'wrong' club for the 'right' shot?
eg taking a long iron or hybrid to hit a relatively short distance under trees. If the shot can be played and potentially made, it is not unreasonable.

Agree entirely.
If the shot was 90 yards and he had to hit it under branches with something like a 4 iron, and his least lofted left handed club was an 8 iron which would send a the ball into the trees, the choice of playing right handed would be perfectly justified and logical.

However this specific situation is not like that.

 

[Three]

This is wrong the way people have decided he MUST play every shot from 130 and under left handed, what if the ball lies on the edge of a greenside bunker and the only way he could play left handed was to take an awkward stance in the bunker or simply play right handed with a good stance, some are suggesting he'd be cheating!! Ridiculous!

In this scenario, he could be justified in saying that he wants to play right handed. If there was then interference from a staked tree, relief would be no problem.

But that is not the situation that was described.

 

[rulefan]

David Frost at the Open?

That's it. Thanks

 

[clubchamp98]

I think this is one of them situations that he has used the rules to his obvious advantage .
The other players in a comp would not be happy if he had won a major doing this by one shot .
I would not be able to look at my trophy if I had done this or look the other players in the eyes.
judging by some of the posts though a lot of you would be happy to do so.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

In this scenario, he could be justified in saying that he wants to play right handed. If there was then interference from a staked tree, relief would be no problem.

But that is not the situation that was described.

He doesn't have to justify it at all, the guy could play left and right handed, it's upto him which way he chooses to play any shot on the course at any distance, his opponent is stating "you said everything 130 in is left handed, therefore as it's inside 130 you CAN only play left handed"
He's making his own rules up.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think this is one of them situations that he has used the rules to his obvious advantage .
The other players in a comp would not be happy if he had won a major doing this by one shot .
I would not be able to look at my trophy if I had done this or look the other players in the eyes.
judging by some of the posts though a lot of you would be happy to do so.

The rules are not there to punish you, there are times when rules can help a player.

 

[Three]

He doesn't have to justify it at all, the guy could play left and right handed, it's upto him which way he chooses to play any shot on the course at any distance, his opponent is stating "you said everything 130 in is left handed, therefore as it's inside 130 you CAN only play left handed"
He's making his own rules up.

Sorry you are wrong.


A player cannot just make up a shot he wishes to play purely to get a free drop.

 

[Three]

The rules are not there to punish you, there are times when rules can help a player.

And we also have to act with integrity.

Do you actually understand that you cannot just choose to pretend that you want to play any shot, in any direction, purely in order to get a free drop?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry you are wrong.


A player cannot just make up a shot he wishes to play purely to get a free drop.

He's not making up a shot, it's a shot he is clearly able to do, if the guy was left handed and carried 1 right handed club, then yes there's doubt.

Read what he put, if he'd of been 131 yards it wasn't an issue, why? because he was insisting his opponent had to play left handed from 130 and in, show me where in the rules it says you can do that.

131 or further out, - no problem mate crack on,
130 or less, - hang on a minute you're pulling a fast one.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And we also have to act with integrity.

Do you actually understand that you cannot just choose to pretend that you want to play any shot, in any direction, purely in order to get a free drop?

We are discussing this particular scenario,

 

[Three]

He's not making up a shot, it's a shot he is clearly able to do, if the guy was left handed and carried 1 right handed club, then yes there's doubt.

Read what he put, if he'd of been 131 yards it wasn't an issue, why? because he was insisting his opponent had to play left handed from 130 and in, show me where in the rules it says you can do that.

131 or further out, - no problem mate crack on,
130 or less, - hang on a minute you're pulling a fast one.

Your 1 yard example is just idiotic.

 

[Three]

We are discussing this particular scenario,

Exactly, so try and see the bigger picture.

In the normal course of events, the player has already stated that he plays all shots left handed from around 130 yards or less. The fact that he carries the relevant left handed clubs in his bag backs this up.

I can't grasp why you don't understand that in the scenario given, the ONLY reason that he is addressing the ball right handed from 90 yards is because the tree interferes,hence he is trying to get a free drop. If the tree wasn't there he would just hit his normal left handed shot.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Your 1 yard example is just idiotic.

But insisting when a an opponent plays left or right handed isn't.

Just for you 135yds, is 5yards idiotic? Where's the line.

Obviously as you have no sensible reply I'll take it I've proved the point.

It would be polite if you remembered it was not me who mentioned the 130yds and the insistance he HAD to play left handed from there on in.

 

[Three]

But insisting when a an opponent plays left or right handed isn't.

Just for you 135yds, is 5yards idiotic? Where's the line.

Obviously as you have no sensible reply I'll take it I've proved the point.

It would be polite if you remembered it was not me who mentioned the 130yds and the insistance he HAD to play left handed from there on in.

You clearly have no grasp of the issue.