rulie
Head Pro
You mean like the 15th and 16th holes at the Old Course? Not particularly close or strange.
Change of position of out-of-bounds stake?
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You mean like the 15th and 16th holes at the Old Course? Not particularly close or strange.
Jamesbrown
Head Pro
It was a poor shot, nothing to do with the stake placement.
You don't look to hit your ball at White stakes, you aim for the fairway!
You don't look to hit your ball at White stakes, you aim for the fairway!
As I have already stated, it is a mostly dark brown stake with about the top 6" painted white. Quite difficult to see from 200 yards, especially against a background of trees and bushes, plus our brown painted driving range building. I was aiming towards the right side of the fairway because there is loads of trouble on the left, including deep rough and loads of bunkers, and just pushed my shot a bit. Even then it needed a very unfortunate bounce off the fairway to go into this new OOB!
chrisd
Major Champion
So Del, you're about to play a shot on a par 5 where, if the oob stakes were in their normal position, it would have meant a mis hit going oob at 215 yards but with the stake being moved in 15 yards the same mis hit going oob at 200 yards and because of trouble on the left you aim in the general direction of the oob.
I would question the thinking behind playing this particular shot in the 1st place. You're hitting a shot with less than 10% margin of error for the distance, with a long club, and its only ever a lay up come what may, given its a par 5. Surely there is a much more sensible strategy where the oob is not an issue?
Also, why not start a campaign to get your club to paint all oob stakes all white?
I would question the thinking behind playing this particular shot in the 1st place. You're hitting a shot with less than 10% margin of error for the distance, with a long club, and its only ever a lay up come what may, given its a par 5. Surely there is a much more sensible strategy where the oob is not an issue?
Also, why not start a campaign to get your club to paint all oob stakes all white?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
In all honesty Del, the story here isn't really that the OB markers were moved, its the fact that they're not clearly visible from any distance. Top 6 inches painted white..??
Have you ever seen OB markers painted anything other than all white - barring some that are white on one side where it matters, and another colour on the other when it doesn't ( internal OB for example....)
Have you ever seen OB markers painted anything other than all white - barring some that are white on one side where it matters, and another colour on the other when it doesn't ( internal OB for example....)
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c1973
Guest
Make the OB posts bigger?
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Maybe I've misunderstood (it's not been easy to follow) but I'm reading it that aiming down the right side with stakes in their old position lets you miss 25yds right before you're OOB, but the new position only needs a 10yd miss to go OOB.
I can sympathise. There are holes at mine that I would use a different club off the tee if OOB was closer to the fairway that it currently is.
I'm in 2 minds as to whether or not the club has a duty to inform members of such changes, but as others have mentioned it seems crazy to have the stakes the colour they are. That's where I would be directing my efforts for change.
Photo of the offending OOB stake on this link:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...20658480.76471.100000941436721&type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...20658480.76471.100000941436721&type=1&theater
chrisd
Major Champion
It would be great if you would answer my post 104
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I've checked the scores on HDID and the winner had a par down the offending hole.
Due to the narrowing of the fairway, I reckon he played a very conservative 5 iron second shot to set himself up for an easy 9 iron into the green, two putts (to a very small hole) and 3 points.
A very valuable lesson in course management, even if he does play off of 23
bobmac
Major Champion
If the temporary work has finished, could you not ask someone to put the stake back?
ger147
Tour Winner
I've checked the scores on HDID and the winner had a par down the offending hole.
Due to the narrowing of the fairway, I reckon he played a very conservative 5 iron second shot to set himself up for an easy 9 iron into the green, two putts (to a very small hole) and 3 points.
A very valuable lesson in course management, even if he does play off of 23
The 23 handicapper actually ripped a driver str8 at the OOB marker and stopped 10 feet short of it, ripped a 3 wood to 8 feet and then 3 putted for a Par. The birdie putt lipped out. They should make the holes bigger.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
chrisd
Major Champion
I've checked the scores on HDID and the winner had a par down the offending hole.
Due to the narrowing of the fairway, I reckon he played a very conservative 5 iron second shot to set himself up for an easy 9 iron into the green, two putts (to a very small hole) and 3 points.
A very valuable lesson in course management, even if he does play off of 23
Wrong wrong wrong
The winner hit a driver down and landed close to a drain cover, pretended he was going to play a wedge in order to get a free drop, took the drop and smashed a driver off the fluffy lie, a yard short of the green, bladed his chip to the back of the green and two putted for a par!
I was playing particularly well that day. I hit a great drive at this short par-5 hole, which left me just in range of the green with a 3 wood, so I went for it. As I have explained repeatedly, most of the real bad trouble (bunkers and deep rough) is on the left, so it is normal to aim towards the right edge of the green. I did this, but didn't quite get hold of the shot and pushed it slightly right, the wind pushed it further right and then it took a horrible bounce off the fairway into the bush with the relocated OOB stake on the fairway side. I could have laid up, and probably would have done so in a medal, but it seemed a reasonable risk in a Stableford.
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
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guest100718
Guest
I see the usual bash a delc crew are out in force....
Anyway as for the OP, at our gaff there is flip chart thing in the hall with any important info on there, seems like a good idea. as there are a few holes where work is happening that will have a big affect on your choice of shot.
Anyway as for the OP, at our gaff there is flip chart thing in the hall with any important info on there, seems like a good idea. as there are a few holes where work is happening that will have a big affect on your choice of shot.
chrisd
Major Champion
I've no doubt that the club would have been correct in informing members of the change but in the absence of doing so I was trying to see whether you game plan was sensible in any case. You say that you took the risk as it was a Stableford and as such, it didn't pay off, but I do agree that the club should put on a notice board any significant changes to the course
Foxholer
Blackballed
The rest of that post (containing the reason for the question) was simply wrong, so ignoring the question was semi-reasonable! Your '10% margin for error' should probably be something like '70% or more' - because it's not forward distance margin for error, it's to the right! Though the photo doesn't clarify that much - it's a pretty straight hole really with that bush 5-10 yds to the right of the fairway. The bush is a bit of a consideration, but OOB wouldn't (normally) be!
If the line between the 2 visible posts is a North-South one (it's not but...) then the Fairway is 5-10 yards somewhere between South-East and South-South-East of that line. And the next OOB post is about the same distance away as the furthest one visible, but in an 'East-South-East' direction to that line!
Whole-heartedly agree with this! In fact, it should have been done immediately the County Ladies tournament - where the change was daft in the first place imo!
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chrisd
Major Champion
To be fair Foxholer, if your hitting a wood anywhere near trouble on a par 5 then it's probably not worth the risk! I've read your post on this and I really don't understand "semi reasonable" and I don't know the hole in question but it must be a risky shot as he got into trouble from it and the 15 yards that the stake has been moved was obviously a real issue in Del's mind otherwise he wouldn't have posted about it.
