Change of position of out-of-bounds stake?

[delc]

Yesterday I hit my second shot at our par-5 9th hole into a bush on the right. Up to a few weeks ago I could have just declared it unplayable and taken a penalty drop. However, when I got there I found that one of the White OOB stakes that surround the driving range had been moved to the fairway side of the bush and I was OOB. Can golf clubs make changes like this without notifying the membership, and why should a bush need protecting anyway, because it was not that close to the range? If I had known of this new OOB area I would have probably played a more conservative 2nd shot. Playing stroke and distance probably cost me a first place in a competition!

 

[bluewolf]

Maybe if the marker posts were bigger, you might have seen them....

 

[rickg]

Yesterday I hit my second shot at our par-5 9th hole into a bush on the right. Up to a few weeks ago I could have just declared it unplayable and taken a penalty drop. However, when I got there I found that one of the White OOB stakes that surround the driving range had been moved to the fairway side of the bush and I was OOB. Can golf clubs make changes like this without notifying the membership, yesand why should a bush need protecting anyway, because it was not that close to the range?because bushes have feelings If I had known of this new OOB area I would have probably played a more conservative 2nd shot. doubt it Playing stroke and distance probably cost me a first place in a competition! doubt it

See above.....
Ps...did you ask your club these questions? If so what was their response?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am totally amazed at how many incidents seem to happen when you play

It seems like you don't have a round without a rules break or something happening ?!

 

[delc]

See above.....
Ps...did you ask your club these questions? If so what was their response?

Have a look at the Seniors Stableford Championship at Batchworth Park on HDID. You will see I came 2nd by one point with a better back 9. This incident cost me a 7 with a stroke and distance penalty, whereas I probably could have scored 6 with just a penalty drop.

 

[Imurg]

Maybe if the marker posts were bigger, you might have seen them....

Pahahahahahahaha....

Surely the Committee/Course Manager can move them wherever he sees fit...?
Face it Del, it was a bad shot.
A yard either side of the bush and it would have been OB anyway......

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have a look at the Seniors Stableford Championship at Batchworth Park on HDID. You will see I came 2nd by one point with a better back 9. This incident cost me a 7 with a stroke and distance penalty, whereas I probably could have scored 6 with just a penalty drop.

Only one person to blame - yourself

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As much as I find the replies to this funny, I'd be pissed off if it was me and I'm genuinely interested if someone/who has the authority to change the boundaries of a course without notifying someone or posting note up.

 

[rickg]

Have a look at the Seniors Stableford Championship at Batchworth Park on HDID. You will see I came 2nd by one point with a better back 9. This incident cost me a 7 with a stroke and distance penalty, whereas I probably could have scored 6 with just a penalty drop.

I don't go on HDID anymore as someone killed it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As much as I find the replies to this funny, I'd be pissed off if it was me and I'm genuinely interested if someone/who has the authority to change the boundaries of a course without notifying someone or posting note up.

Can't see any reason why a course managed can't change the position of a marker - as for notifying members - it would prob be the best thing to do if it was a dramatic change

 

[delc]

I don't go on HDID anymore as someone killed it

At least you know who you are talking to on HDID, as posters are not hiding behind a user name. I can guess who you are!

 

[fundy]

Im assuming if you had known the OOB had been moved youd have hit a different shot and not been there? Nope thought not

 

[delc]

Im assuming if you had known the OOB had been moved youd have hit a different shot and not been there? Nope thought not

It was a on a shortish par-5. Having hit a good drive I went for the green in two with a 3-wood, as there didn't seem to be much risk in this apart from some bunkers and deep rough to the left of the green. Unfortunately I hit my shot too far right, not helped by a left-to-right wind, and ended up in said bush and OOB. If I had known the OOB was there I would have laid up with a hybrid or long iron.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Can't see any reason why a course managed can't change the position of a marker - as for notifying members - it would prob be the best thing to do if it was a dramatic change

What if it's moved back next week and somewhere else is moved, just interested as surely a course has to define it's boundaries and on the whole without justification should not be changed.

 

[Three]

Im assuming if you had known the OOB had been moved youd have hit a different shot and not been there? Nope thought not

Maybe if you read his op instead of being a smart-ass, you would see that he stated that, had he known the OB had been moved, he might have played a different shot.

Someone in the "bigger hole" thread mentioned "gang and bullying mentality" on this forum, and you only need to read this thread to see it's alive and well, same old name(s).
I don't care who doesn't like that observation, but as a new forum contributor I'm just telling you what I see.

Anyway delc, I think it's a great point. The position of the hazards and OB markers obviously plays a major part in our strategy and course management. When we play our home course regularly we know instinctively where is safe to hit and where is not. We can take a risk of landing in a small bush that we wouldn't take if there was a chance of going OB, and so on.

For all of you mocking delc, how many of you have a ditch or water hazard on your course that requires a certain carry or lay-up? Imagine that distance changing overnight and the Club not informing you.
Stupid? Of course it's stupid, they can't just move a ditch or lake can they.
But It's no more stupid than someone moving the OB markers without telling the players.

So, yes delc, 100% they should have informed you, to not do so is pretty poor.

 

[Three]

It was a on a shortish par-5. Having hit a good drive I went for the green in two with a 3-wood, as there didn't seem to be much risk in this apart from some bunkers and deep rough to the left of the green. Unfortunately I hit my shot too far right, not helped by a left-to-right wind, and ended up in said bush and OOB. If I had known the OOB was there I would have laid up with a hybrid or long iron.

Exactly.

Our posts crossed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was a on a shortish par-5. Having hit a good drive I went for the green in two with a 3-wood, as there didn't seem to be much risk in this apart from some bunkers and deep rough to the left of the green. Unfortunately I hit my shot too far right, not helped by a left-to-right wind, and ended up in said bush and OOB. If I had known the OOB was there I would have laid up with a hybrid or long iron.

Sorry but a change of a couple yards of the OOB market would have made you not go for the green in two ?!

How far right is the bush ?

Sorry but I don't believe you at all

 

[rickg]

If I had known the OOB was there I would have laid up with a hybrid or long iron.

I'm calling BS on this......irrespective of whether the bush was out of bounds or not.......if it was in range, even if it was inbounds, then it was a poor shout. There was a high risk you might not even find you ball.

Simple poor course management IMO and trying to find something to blame for not winning.....why not take the positives out of beating handicap, getting a cut and a good finish...why does everything have to be so negative?

And if anyone thinks that's bullying, as has been suggested, then please feel free to report me.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Sorry but a change of a couple yards of the OOB market would have made you not go for the green in two ?!

How far right is the bush ?

Sorry but I don't believe you at all

Does it matter whether you believe him?

it's in the rules section, he asked for advice on if it can be done. I don't care whether it would affect him or not. One yard this time, how avout moving oob by 20 yards, the other side of a dogleg. You'd be annoyed if they didn't tell you that.

Focus on the point, not the poster.

he gets (fairly rightly IMO) berated for mentioning hole sizes, don't have a go when he starts posts on other things! (Not aimed specifically at LPP, general point)

 

[delc]

Sorry but a change of a couple yards of the OOB market would have made you not go for the green in two ?!

How far right is the bush ?

Sorry but I don't believe you at all

There is row of white OOB stakes alongside the driving range which have always been there and well off the course. One of these had been moved a good 15 yards out to the other side of the bush and not that far off the fairway. I was inside the lines between it and the next stakes back and forward (which were still in their original positions), and therefore OOB in a sort of triangular area. Just wondering who can authorise such a change, and whether it should be notified to the members?