Cat 1 Supplementary Cards - quick question

Jacko_G said:
I'm not trying to prove anything. I am telling you CAT 1 golfers are discriminated against under the supplementary card rule which is a nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Another well thought out argument. Guess you're not going to enlighten us on what is wrong with Rulefan's apparently inaccurate post then.
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If a job advertises wanting a law degree are you discriminated against because you don't have the required qualifications?
 
jimbob.someroo said:
Fairy snuff - I'm not as au fait with thing north of the border, can't be arsed to work out which are weekends but there's a shed-load of individual opens on Golf Empire, here's the lists for South East and Central Scotland if of any use!

https://www.golfempire.co.uk/county/scotland-south-east-individual.htm
https://www.golfempire.co.uk/county/scotland-central-individual.htm

Just pipped you last year with 55 qualifiers! I keep meaning to come and do a couple of Scratch Open's in Scotland (ironically over a weekend in the Summer ...), will give you a shout if I find some that work with dates!
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i was well down on the number last year on the prev, didn't play any midweek and only one sunday comp at my club, i can't think of any scratch opens as such up here only the handful of elite comp, and i doubt i would get in any of these, you have to be 1 or less i'd imagine or you are balloted out 4 isn't low up here:(, there are a few low handicap comps though, Dornoch the best, the there is the King which is 7 and below sat Nairn Sunday Nairn Dunbar then the moray one as well, all weekends. what about a 4 or 5 day they all have a scratch section, those are midweek.
I don't tend to venture that far south TBH, its a 3 hour plus to anywhere decent
 
Jacko_G said:
If a job advertises wanting a law degree are you discriminated against because you don't have the required qualifications?
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You keep using a particular meaning of the word discriminate. As I have said before, it also means to make a distinction between groups or collections of thinks that have differing characteristics or attributes. So yes, there is discrimination. But using the word 'against' implies it is a bad thing. It is not necessarily good, bad or neutral.
You think the Cat 1 case is bad. No doubt CONGU thinks otherwise.

Rightly or wrongly, many organisers (and players) of elite comps do not believe that supplementary scores reflect the conditions of playing at elite level. They want evidence that all entrants are 'upto scratch' as it were. And 3 Supp Scores does not provide them with that confidence. If they haven't been returning competition scores, what evidence is there that the player can still play at his last reported level?
 
rulefan said:
You keep using a particular meaning of the word discriminate. As I have said before, it also means to make a distinction between groups or collections of thinks that have differing characteristics or attributes. So yes, there is discrimination. But using the word 'against' implies it is a bad thing. It is not necessarily good, bad or neutral.
You think the Cat 1 case is bad. No doubt CONGU thinks otherwise.

Rightly or wrongly, many organisers (and players) of elite comps do not believe that supplementary scores reflect the conditions of playing at elite level. They want evidence that all entrants are 'upto scratch' as it were. And 3 Supp Scores does not provide them with that confidence. If they haven't been returning competition scores, what evidence is there that the player can still play at his last reported level?
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Rightly or wrongly doesn't come into it. It's blatant.
 
rulefan said:
You keep using a particular meaning of the word discriminate. As I have said before, it also means to make a distinction between groups or collections of thinks that have differing characteristics or attributes. So yes, there is discrimination. But using the word 'against' implies it is a bad thing. It is not necessarily good, bad or neutral.
You think the Cat 1 case is bad. No doubt CONGU thinks otherwise.

Rightly or wrongly, many organisers (and players) of elite comps do not believe that supplementary scores reflect the conditions of playing at elite level. They want evidence that all entrants are 'upto scratch' as it were. And 3 Supp Scores does not provide them with that confidence. If they haven't been returning competition scores, what evidence is there that the player can still play at his last reported level?
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whats that got to do with a 5 handicap though, you won't be getting in many if any elite comps off 5..
 
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patricks148 said:
whats that got to do with a 5 handicap though, you won't be getting in many if any elite comps off 5..
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Category 1 players may only return Supplementary Scores during the period 1 September to 31 December and only to the extent necessary to ensure that the minimum requirement for Qualifying Scores under Clause 25 is met.
This includes players with plus handicaps.

Which Jacko_G says is nonsensical

However, a Union has the discretion to permit Category 1 players with handicaps in the range 2.5 to 5.4 to return Supplementary Scores in a calendar year. Such scores may only be returned at the player’s Home club within that Union’s jurisdiction. Scotland directs that Category 1 players within this handicap range may take up this discretion
 
rulefan said:
Category 1 players may only return Supplementary Scores during the period 1 September to 31 December and only to the extent necessary to ensure that the minimum requirement for Qualifying Scores under Clause 25 is met.
This includes players with plus handicaps.

Which Jacko_G says is nonsensical

However, a Union has the discretion to permit Category 1 players with handicaps in the range 2.5 to 5.4 to return Supplementary Scores in a calendar year. Such scores may only be returned at the player’s Home club within that Union’s jurisdiction. Scotland directs that Category 1 players within this handicap range may take up this discretion
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so they are still discriminated against in England then?
 
Jacko_G said:
If a job advertises wanting a law degree are you discriminated against because you don't have the required qualifications?
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No you just don't meet the required criteria which is completely different.
 
patricks148 said:
so they are still discriminated against in England then?
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Why do people keep saying 'against'. Discriminate as a single word is neutral. Simply substitute 'makes a distinction between'.
Any actions resulting from that distinction may be seen as good or bad depending on how you view that result.
The player (in this case) may see it as 'against him' . Those missing out may see it as 'for' them.
 
rulefan said:
Why do people keep saying 'against'. Discriminate as a single word is neutral. Simply substitute 'makes a distinction between'.
Any actions resulting from that distinction may be seen as good or bad depending on how you view that result.
The player (in this case) may see it as 'against him' . Those missing out may see it as 'for' them.
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Is that honestly the best retort you can come up with now?
 
rulefan said:
Why do people keep saying 'against'. Discriminate as a single word is neutral. Simply substitute 'makes a distinction between'.
Any actions resulting from that distinction may be seen as good or bad depending on how you view that result.
The player (in this case) may see it as 'against him' . Those missing out may see it as 'for' them.
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H'mm. Perhaps the reason is here!

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/discriminate
 
rulefan said:
Exactly
1. Is what I have been stressing
2. Is a fairly specific and modern context which is not relevant.
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Agreed, if perhaps not about the 'modern' context - ask any Jew or Romany how far back discrimination against their race goes! Perhaps 'differentiate' would be a better description - as Cat 1 players are not (intentionally) discriminated against! They merely have certain additional requirements/restrictions applied to, imo, hopefully prevent abuse.
 
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