Cat 1 Supplementary Cards - quick question

[TheJezster]

Hi, I've done a quick search but the answer wasnt immediately obvious, just wanted to check whether cat 1 players can enter supplementary cards or not?

In England, not Scotland.

Thanks

 

[fundy]

The only way used to be if you hadnt submitted enough cards to ensure your handicap stayed active (i think from Sep to Dec), otherwise no. Not sure if rules have changed in the last year or so though

 

[rulefan]

21.4 A Member is limited to a number of Supplementary Scores in each year as detailed in below:

(a) subject to (c) below, Category 1 players may only return Supplementary Scores during the period 1 September to 31 December and only to the extent necessary to ensure that the minimum requirement for Qualifying Scores under Clause 25 is met. Category 1 players may only return Supplementary Scores over 18 holes;

(b) any number of Supplementary Scores may be returned annually by players in Categories 2 to 6;

(c) a Union has the discretion to permit Category 1 players with handicaps in the range 2.5 to 5.4 to return Supplementary Scores in a calendar year. Such scores may only be returned at the player’s Home club within that Union’s jurisdiction. Scotland directs that Category 1 players within this handicap range may take up this discretion. England, Ireland, and Wales make no such direction.

(d) A Category 1 player has an additional dispensation when they commence the calendar year without a ‘Competition’ status. They may submit Supplementary Scores at any time of the year, but only in sufficient numbers to regain the ‘c’ status (i.e. a maximum of 3).

 

[TheJezster]

Thank you, very helpful

 

[Jacko_G]

Never understood this rule. Just another example of golf discriminating against low guys. Imagine a low guy working shifts and having a young family. Surely that doesn't ever happen so it doesn't matter that we exclude them from trying to keep a competitive handicap through the season.

Ridiculous rule.

 

[rulefan]

Never understood this rule. Just another example of golf discriminating against low guys. Imagine a low guy working shifts and having a young family. Surely that doesn't ever happen so it doesn't matter that we exclude them from trying to keep a competitive handicap through the season.

Ridiculous rule.

They can always use clause (d). Or they can't even play 3 rounds of competitive golf how can they suggest they are good enough to play in top flight comps which may have an entry limit.

 

[Jacko_G]

They can always use clause (d). Of they can't even play 3 rounds of competitive golf how can they suggest they are good enough to play in top flight comps which may have an entry limit.

Shift workers often have Thursday Friday or a Monday etc off, they can play plenty of midweek golf and due to the nature of the shift work have to balance out family life on the odd weekend that they are off.

It is a discriminatory rule in golf.

 

[rulie]

Shift workers often have Thursday Friday or a Monday etc off, they can play plenty of midweek golf and due to the nature of the shift work have to balance out family life on the odd weekend that they are off.

It is a discriminatory rule in golf.

Glad you said "rule in golf" because it's not a Rule of golf. Merely a handicapping rule.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Shift workers often have Thursday Friday or a Monday etc off, they can play plenty of midweek golf and due to the nature of the shift work have to balance out family life on the odd weekend that they are off.

It is a discriminatory rule in golf.

I’m cat 1 , a shift worker who works plenty of weekends - managed to get in just over 20 competitive rounds last year , find it a breeze and any issues then I have 4 months to get 3 cards in on a supplementary if required

But it’s all changing soon enough

 

[Jacko_G]

Glad you said "rule in golf" because it's not a Rule of golf. Merely a handicapping rule.

Same difference except there is a pedantic element to one answer. Still discriminatory regardless. Allowing other groups but not CAT1 is just wrong in my books.

 

[Jacko_G]

I’m cat 1 , a shift worker who works plenty of weekends - managed to get in just over 20 competitive rounds last year , find it a breeze and any issues then I have 4 months to get 3 cards in on a supplementary if required

But it’s all changing soon enough

Fair enough for you however do you have young children with clubs etc etc? Work life balance isn't easier for CAT 1 golfers than any other group of golfers. I get one weekend off a month as do others, its very unfair of me to expect that to be my golf time every month during the golf season.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fair enough for you however do you have young children with clubs etc etc? Work life balance isn't easier for CAT 1 golfers than any other group of golfers. I get one weekend off a month as do others, its very unfair of me to expect that to be my golf time every month during the golf season.

Yep I have a young daughter and a wife that plays hockey - it’s just about organising things and getting a balance right , you have the weekdays to play when a lot of times it’s quieter and nicer , I have mates during the week to play and then ones at weekend - it allows me to play in societies without booking days off , playing with guys on here during the week is easier. I play more golf being a shift worker than my mates who have every weekend off. Just got to balance what’s best for you and your family.

 

[Jacko_G]

Yep I have a young daughter and a wife that plays hockey - it’s just about organising things and getting a balance right , you have the weekdays to play when a lot of times it’s quieter and nicer , I have mates during the week to play and then ones at weekend - it allows me to play in societies without booking days off , playing with guys on here during the week is easier. I play more golf being a shift worker than my mates who have every weekend off. Just got to balance what’s best for you and your family.

100% agree with that and yes I play a lot of golf at times, just very few qualifiers sadly.

 

[Old Skier]

There is also the option for players if they are off or on their holidays to join the seniors for the day if they are playing qualifying comps.

 

[rulefan]

100% agree with that and yes I play a lot of golf at times, just very few qualifiers sadly.

As you don't play qualifiers I assume you don't enter elite competitions. Why do you need a cat 1 'c' handicap?

 

[doublebogey7]

Never understood this rule. Just another example of golf discriminating against low guys. Imagine a low guy working shifts and having a young family. Surely that doesn't ever happen so it doesn't matter that we exclude them from trying to keep a competitive handicap through the season.

Ridiculous rule.

You may not like this rule and it may make maintaining a low handicap for you personally but as I am sure you know is designed to be far to players who maintain a low handicap whilst playing in pressurised conditions.
In my experience, not unjustifiably, golf largely discriminates in favour of the low guys, be interested to know where you think the opposite is true.

 

[rulefan]

It may be worth trying to get hold of the old Myths & Misconceptions document published by CONGU some years ago.

As an example:
Myth: If all club handicap competitions were ‘open’ i.e. no handicap classes or divisions, the
single figure handicap player would stand no chance of winning.”

Conclusion: When the distribution of winners by handicap category is related to their representation
in the field, it can be seen that all handicap categories win in reasonable proportion to
their entry i.e. Category 1 and Category 3 players typically comprise 8% and 40% of a
club competition and in a ‘single class’ competition win 10% and 38% of the time.

 

[Jacko_G]

As you don't play qualifiers I assume you don't enter elite competitions. Why do you need a cat 1 'c' handicap?

Firstly having gone back up to 6 a couple of seasons back I am no longer CAT 1.

Secondly as I explained I have a young family, I work shifts, I play the vast majority of my golf midweek which doesn't just reduce the number of competitions I can enter, it VASTLY reduces the number I have access too. Unless you are a senior golfer there are no midweek open competitions. Yes there are midweek medals through the summer however trying to find someone to play with during the day isn't always easy especially if you have to fit it in between school runs and clubs etc.

Thirdly I don't "need" a CAT 1 handicap but it's nice to push yourself and unlike (some) others I would prefer a handicap that reflects my ability.

 

[Jacko_G]

You may not like this rule and it may make maintaining a low handicap for you personally but as I am sure you know is designed to be far to players who maintain a low handicap whilst playing in pressurised conditions.
In my experience, not unjustifiably, golf largely discriminates in favour of the low guys, be interested to know where you think the opposite is true.

Medals and open competitions are pressurised conditions, however why should it only be CAT 1 handicap golfers that "must" only submit cards in those conditions? Genuinely why?

Is it fair that a 7 handicap golfer or a 22 handicap golfer can do this (supplementary rounds) yet a 4 handicap can't? The answer is of course it's not and it is discriminatory no matter the thought process behind it.

 

[doublebogey7]

Medals and open competitions are pressurised conditions, however why should it only be CAT 1 handicap golfers that "must" only submit cards in those conditions? Genuinely why?

Is it fair that a 7 handicap golfer or a 22 handicap golfer can do this (supplementary rounds) yet a 4 handicap can't? The answer is of course it's not and it is discriminatory no matter the thought process behind it.

In order to maintain the integrity of top-level amateur competitions, as far as I understand it. This might in your eyes might be discriminatory, but such competitions discriminate in favour of the better player by their very nature. For clarity, I don't have a problem with that.