Burgular stabbed to death

[RGDave]

We had some unknown folk in our garden last year. I went outside, locked the door behind me and got my missus to phone the police. I went into the club room, pulled out a 3 iron and stepped onto the patio. As the security light came on, I shouted "you'd better **** off out of here unless you want to ******* die".

Seemed to work.

They came back a few days later (despite being collared by the police a few doors down) and emptied my shed. Odd, they took nothing and there were 2 £100 tennis raquets in a bag hanging on the back of the shed door.

 

[elliottlale]

We had some unknown folk in our garden last year. I went outside, locked the door behind me and got my missus to phone the police. I went into the club room, pulled out a 3 iron and stepped onto the patio. As the security light came on, I shouted "you'd better **** off out of here unless you want to ******* die".

Seemed to work.

They came back a few days later (despite being collared by the police a few doors down) and emptied my shed. Odd, they took nothing and there were 2 £100 tennis raquets in a bag hanging on the back of the shed door.

id do exactly the same!! without a doubt!! i always have something handy in my bedroom, some one in my house id throw something, start shouting and that would scare them, if it didnt id be more than willing to back up my words.

 

[Imurg]

My first reaction when I read the title of the thread was..

Oh Dear, how sad, never mind......

Has to be a wedge - a 1 iron's not heavy enough!

 

[boyzzee]

Seeing that reminded me of this:

Beware of the kerb....

 

[Scouser]

2 burglars standing outside 2 semis at 3 in the morning.
Outside one house there is a sign.

"Trespassers will be clubbed to death by the wife, shot to death by me then eaten by my 4 Great Danes. And below that a picture of my 4 big dogs.

Next door is a sign that says
"Dear milkman. no milk for 2 weeks, gone on holiday"

Which house will they do?

Deterent is the one thing that's never talked about in this country, it's all about what to do after the act.

If the law changes to allow house owners more rights against ne'er do wells, then the scroats have to know the law has changed.

Then, if they cross my threshold, they will feel my 1 iron

I turn on the electric fences after 10.00 Bob, so make sure you are not late.

I prefer the wedge on burglars, as i don't think i can get a full swing in the house with anything longer.

When you are protecting your family in your own home, i think anything goes.

You two would probably sha*k them

 

[AuburnWarrior]

I have an alarm fitted. If they get in, they get untold decibels in their ears!

The alarm wakes up the whole street and a copper lives opposite and (I've seen his truncheon ) so they best run fast.....

It always surprises me how very few people alarm their houses. Your car's got one - why not your house?

 

[stevelev]

One of the best things to keep upstairs is a fire extinguisher (the powder type)

You can use it to blast in the face of any attacker or burglar then whack them with it when they are choking. If it was me, I'd keep whacking till he fell down the stairs or out the front door.

 

[RGDave]

I knew someone who lived in Brazil. As the family had some money, they needed a little more "protection" than in leafy Surrey-shire.

They had 4 Dobermans that lived in the grounds. Not just any Dobermans either.....specially trained ones that would hunt, kill and shred to pieces anything that came over the fence.

They never got burgled.

 

[BeachGolfer]

In most US States, homeowners can only be 'done' for shooting housebreaking intruders in the back. Many of the households in the area I lived in suburban California had clear indication i.e. stickers in the windows that the homeowner was a registered firearm owner.

And we make do with neighborhood watch stickers.

Btw forget 1 & 3 irons, lob and sand wedges are your best bet.

 

[granters]

I tell you what, amidst all the bravado on here- there's no way i'd put myself or my family in danger for a few possessions. I'd just lock us all in a room. It's absolutely not worth it, i've heard too many horror stories. Has it ever been worth it, especially when you can find yourself up on a charge.

 

[sawtooth]

personally this is one thing i like about the good old USA, if someone is on your property you can defend by any means so to speak. In my opinion there are far to many rules and laws protecting criminals and not enough protecting the victim.

Unfortunately i have a close friend who's brother was murdered when he was awoken by a burglar while he was asleep on the sofa, as he's children were upstairs he tried to remove the burglar while they were asleep, it cost him he's life.

I think we have it about right here in the UK. I think however the law is misunderstood by many. You can use whatever force necessary to defend you and your family but it must be proportionate. For example if a burgular comes in to your house unarmed you cant just blow him away with a shotgun especially if you are lying in wait for him (like in the case of that farmer). However if you came home and found your wife beind attacked with a knife you can also use a knife to defend yourself with. No court in the country is going to convict you in that case.

 

[bobmac]

More details emmerging about the incident in Manchester.

Father and son 59 and 27 and a girl 21 held and questioned over the murder of 27 year old John Bennell.
Bennell and his 3 accomplices dressed in dark clothing and balaclavas smashed into the hose just before midnight.

I make that 4 masked men against an aging man, his son and his 21 year old girlfriend.


I call that a result

 

[HRC99]

I still believe Tony Martin got it right.

I'm all for defending your family and property but he shot the bloke in the back as he was running away.

 

[BogeyHole]

I still believe Tony Martin got it right.

I'm all for defending your family and property but he shot the bloke in the back as he was running away.

Too simplistic, I feel.

If the bloke hadn't broken in, Martin wouldn't have gone into the fight or flight mode we hear about. Once his adrenalin took over, the need to 'win' took over. If the guy hadn't run away, and had just submitted to Martin's will, he might still be alive.

It was possibly the very act of running away that caused his death.

( Please note I say 'might' )

 

[Del]

If I were to find someone had got into my house I would use whatever force necessary to either stop him / her there and then or to get them out, and I do mean whatever force I thought necessary.

Be that picking up a lump of wood, golf club or whatever, I truly think the moment they step into my house they have given up all rights to be treated with kid gloves.

 

[Thor]

My house was burgled almost 2 years ago...I heard the bloke in the house but thought it was my son coming in from a night out!
Anyway he found my cars keys, stole my car and crashed it into another vehicle injuring the occupants. The car was written off and, because the culprit was apprehended at the scene, the injured parties were able to claim against my insurance!!
Hundreds of phonecalls later, a new car purchased and a personal injury claim of £50,000 just settled against my insurance (after almost 2 years and my premium has gone through the roof).

Bottom line is if it happens again I'll certainly "unleash hell" on whoever I find in my house. These people are scum and their actions cause untold stress and inconvenience to their victims.

 

[sev112]

"Proportionate" my Ar*e

That is the most stupidly interepreted bit of law in the world.

No average law abiding normal person, who doesnt normally engage in violent crime and burglary, shoudl be considered to only be able t us ethe same implement as a competent, trained and experienced burglar.

I am the most pacifist person in the world. If someone came into my house in the middle of the night, they would have my pitching wedge in their head before i even gave them a warning. I am not going to debate, discuss and make sure we have equal weapons to determine who has teh right to be in my house.

It used to be a cricket bat, but i cant wield it as well these days.

i think every single case where a householder is arrested, charged or anything like that shoudl be required to be put on National News and we'll soon see whether the political corerct lunatics have got the right idea. I dont critciise teh police officers doing what their bosses tell them, led by eth political correct brigade.

This is basic human rights of teh home owner, and very littel makes me as angry as this.
You break in, you get what comes


i need to calm down now ...

 

[viscount17]

I still believe Tony Martin got it right.

I'm all for defending your family and property but he shot the bloke in the back as he was running away.

Too simplistic, I feel.

If the bloke hadn't broken in, Martin wouldn't have gone into the fight or flight mode we hear about. Once his adrenalin took over, the need to 'win' took over. If the guy hadn't run away, and had just submitted to Martin's will, he might still be alive.

It was possibly the very act of running away that caused his death.

( Please note I say 'might' )

this case has often been misunderstood - Martin was a bit of a recluse and his property had been burgled more than once. as I remember it there had been threats of further break-ins.

the person responsible for the kids death wasn't Martin - it was the scumbag 'uncle' who led him into it then legged it, then claimed for compensation for his injuries - I think he fell over a fence.

 

[viscount17]

the US law has generated a few problems (and it varies from state to state). generally it's legal <u>on your property</u> - there have more than a few blood trails leading back to the property boundary.

that said I would prefer the same definition over here - property boundary - I'd far rather defend my kids with them inside and away from the scum -

and none of this equal opportunity rubbish - I want something bigger and a lot heavier

they break in, their rights are what I choose to allow them

oh and Bob, if god can't do it you'll never hit them with a 1-iron

 

[Region3]

This is something that I dread the thought of. Not just for the obvious reasons, but also for the fact that I am not built to win an equal fight, and fight I would if my family were at risk.

I would have little to no chance of overpowering a burglar and restraining them whilst waiting for the police. I would have to hit them hard enough with something so they're not getting up again in a hurry, which would no doubt land me in more trouble than the scrote breaking in.