Bunker yips?

[HawkeyeMS]

You might like to read this link:

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/sergio-garcia-smiling-again-week-royal-st-georges

or this:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...ers-putting-yips/story-e6frg7sf-1111116318925

All those articles do is prove my point that people use the word "yips" too freely. That he had the yips is only the author's use of the word. If you are saying changing grip means Sergio had the yips, then you are saying everyone who changes putter or grip has the yips which simply isn't true. These guys know that if they can make 1 more putt a round it is a huge, that's why they are always changing to true to squeeze every little bit out of their game.

 

[delc]

All those articles do is prove my point that people use the word "yips" too freely. That he had the yips is only the author's use of the word. If you are saying changing grip means Sergio had the yips, then you are saying everyone who changes putter or grip has the yips which simply isn't true. These guys know that if they can make 1 more putt a round it is a huge, that's why they are always changing to true to squeeze every little bit out of their game.

I thought that everyone and his dog knew that Sergio had a battle with the putting yips, and he had been a great putter earlier on in his career, so not a technique problem!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I thought that everyone and his dog knew that Sergio had a battle with the putting yips, and he had been a great putter earlier on in his career, so not a technique problem!

I think the problem is, you're obsessed with the yips.

 

[Foxholer]

Sergio's putting definitely became a bit twitchy after his defeat by Padraig Harrington in the Open. He tumbled down the rankings before finding a better way to putt (for him) using a version of the claw grip.

How many times does it need to be stressed...

Sergio didn't have the yips!

It's not as if you have to admit to being wrong - you never are after all :rofl: - as you have not, to my knowledge, stated he did.

And we are pretty all pretty aware of what the Yips are, there's also no need to re-explain them in every post. we get the message.

And just in case you haven't, let me stress again...

Sergio didn't have the yips!

And just to further get the message across that Sergio didn't have the yips! remind me of the Putter that Sergio was using when he lost to Harrington in The Open! He has (simply) struggled to be as talented at Putting as the rest of his play! And that's why he tried the Claw grip and found it worked better (for him).

I'm starting to believe not that you've had/got the Yips, but that you've got Munchausen Yips! And, from the number of folk at your club you have apparently identified/convinced to have the Yips, Munchausen by Proxy Yips as well!

 

[Foxholer]

I thought that everyone and his dog knew that Sergio had a battle with the putting yips, and he had been a great putter earlier on in his career, so not a technique problem!

Nope. You just believe he had a battle with them! Your belief(s) and reality are light years apart!

Unless you can show us an example of Sergio and his putting 'yips', you really need to admit that
Sergio didn't have the yips!

I've even seen his waggles called 'waggle yips' so it's definitely the case that the term 'yips' gets mis-used.

And, of course, all this is mildly off-topic anyway, because the thread is about 'Bunker Yips', something I don't believe exists - and the OP-er has posted that that may have not been the best description of his problem. If you believe Bunker Yips exists, show us an example - or admit that it's highly unlikely to exist!

 

[Marshy77]

Perhaps I shouldn't say this ahead of a forum meet at a Links course but....

I don't necessarily want to be in them but I love playing bunker shots, certainly green side. Maybe this is why I seem to do reasonably well in getting out of them as I tend to hold no fear in making a full stroke through the sand. I've also holed out twice for birdie from the sand in my fledging 'career' which was extremely satisfying!

To add to Delc's piece, I believe that the closer you are to the hole the more open and wider your stance should be.*

*not an expert....!

Will be watching intensively on Sunday

 

[G_Mulligan]

So the yips is caused by bad technique then?

as I said a lack of confidence combined with a bad technique is one of the most common causes, it would be possible to get the yips despite a good technique if your confidence was low enough or you perceived yourself to have a bad technique. I don't have the best technique but I have confidence in it and sink my fair share of putts.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My chipping woes are well known. I hit fats and thins and its a self destroying circle of fear and uncertainty. My biggest problem is its all in the head. I've chopped and changed technique and methods until my head is full of chocolate frogs and I was freezing over the ball with so many thoughts in my head. The duff WAS NOT a yip but a result of confidence through the floor. My guess is the golfer in question enters a bunker with no idea of how to play the shot correctly and like my own issues, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. IT IS NOT THE YIPS

 

[delc]

as I said a lack of confidence combined with a bad technique is one of the most common causes, it would be possible to get the yips despite a good technique if your confidence was low enough or you perceived yourself to have a bad technique. I don't have the best technique but I have confidence in it and sink my fair share of putts.

I don't have the bunker yips or any other form of full or half swing yips, but I have two friends who have the drawn out gripping and regripping thing like Sergio, and we have another member who just freezes over the ball and finds it difficult to start his backswing. Possibly anxiety related? If you asked me to play a short bump and run with a 6 or 7 iron, I would probably yip it. I have been known to completely miss the ball trying to play this shot! However if I use a more lofted sand or lob wedge with a longer swing I am fine, even though it's technically a more difficult shot.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I don't have the bunker yips or any other form of full or half swing yips, but I have two friends who have the drawn out gripping and regripping thing like Sergio, and we have another member who just freezes over the ball and finds it difficult to start his backswing. Possibly anxiety related. If you asked me to play a bump and run with a 6 or 7 iron, I would probably yip it. I have been known to completely miss the ball trying to play this shot! However if I use a more lofted sand or lob wedge with a longer swing I am fine.

I think you'll find it still comes down to a lack of technique. That leads to the anxiety and that leads to another mis hit. The fact that you have a lofted club means you naturally have to make a smaller, more committed shot to utilise the loft and therefore commit to each much more. Nothing more than that and a chip and run lesson would see you right

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I don't have the bunker yips or any other form of full or half swing yips, but I have two friends who have the drawn out gripping and regripping thing like Sergio, and we have another member who just freezes over the ball and finds it difficult to start his backswing. Possibly anxiety related? If you asked me to play a short bump and run with a 6 or 7 iron, I would probably yip it. I have been known to completely miss the ball trying to play this shot! However if I use a more lofted sand or lob wedge with a longer swing I am fine.

That isn't the yips, it is your inability to control a short swing.

 

[Foxholer]

That isn't the yips, it is your inability to control a short swing.

While that may well be the case, I don't think it's valid to simply make that statement. Inability to control a short swing is, after, one of the symptoms of Yips. Though that doesn't mean that inability to control a short swing IS the yips.

I still believe Munchausen/Munchausen by proxy is Del's real problem. At the 5 Clubs I've been a member of(some 2000 players!) there have only been 2 with Yips. Yet there are potentially 4 at Del's Club! Seems there's a particular problem at Del's club that needs eradicating!

And given the title of the thread, is any of this actually relevant to 'BunkerYips'?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

While that may well be the case, I don't think it's valid to simply make that statement. Inability to control a short swing is, after, one of the symptoms of Yips. Though that doesn't mean that inability to control a short swing IS the yips.

I still believe Munchausen/Munchausen by proxy is Del's real problem. At the 5 Clubs I've been a member of(some 2000 players!) there have only been 2 with Yips. Yet there are potentially 4 at Del's Club! Seems there's a particular problem at Del's club that needs eradicating!

And given the title of the thread, is any of this actually relevant to 'BunkerYips'?

I myself have trouble with making a short swing such as the 730 swing on Pelz' clockface method or the swing delc talks about that is needed for a short bump and run with a 7i. It's not the yips, I just don't have the control to be able to make that shot, I'm sure I could with practice but it isn't the yips.

As for delc, I agree with you. I'm sure he has mentioned as many as 20 players at his club with the yips in previous threads (I may have got that wrong though).

 

[delc]

I myself have trouble with making a short swing such as the 730 swing on Pelz' clockface method or the swing delc talks about that is needed for a short bump and run with a 7i. It's not the yips, I just don't have the control to be able to make that shot, I'm sure I could with practice but it isn't the yips.

As for delc, I agree with you. I'm sure he has mentioned as many as 20 players at his club with the yips in previous threads (I may have got that wrong though).

Just to clarify a few points:
1) A yip is an INVOLUNTARY muscle action which affects your ability to make a smooth accurate stroke.
2) A yip is most likely to affect fine motor skills, such as putting and chipping.
3) Yips normally only affect players with a long term exposure to golf and putting, and is not in itself age related. I don't know any senior golfers who took up golf later in life that have them, but several who have played for most of their lives
(including me) who do. Often older touring pros and elite amateurs are prone to getting them, e.g. Ben Hogan, Harry Vardon, Tommy Armour and Sam Torrance.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Just to clarify a few points:
1) A yip is an INVOLUNTARY muscle action which affects your ability to make a smooth accurate stroke.
2) A yip is most likely to affect fine motor skills, such as putting and chipping.
3) Yips normally only affect players with a long term exposure to golf and putting, and is not in itself age related. I don't know any senior golfers who took up golf later in life that have them, but several who have played for most of their lives
(including me) who do. Often older touring pros and elite amateurs are prone to getting them, e.g. Ben Hogan, Harry Vardon, Tommy Armour and Sam Torrance.

I know, you have told me over and over again, and keep bleating on about it isn't going to change the fact that I don't believe you or any of the people at your club you are telling have the yips actually have the yips. The fact you can't hit a short chip with a 7i isn't the yips. I struggle with the same shot, I don't have the yips, I just struggle with short swings so I use less loft and a longer swing which I have more control over. Having bad technique or not being very good at something isn't the yips.

 

[Foxholer]

....
but several who have played for most of their lives (including me) who do.

Yours is Munchausen's Yips!

And your points above would rather indicate that

Sergio didn't have the yips!

Do you agree?

 

[DCB]

So, is the solution to bunker yips to be found by making bunkers bigger ?

Just following a certain train of though to its logical end

 

[G_Mulligan]

Just to clarify a few points:
1) A yip is an INVOLUNTARY muscle action which affects your ability to make a smooth accurate stroke.
2) A yip is most likely to affect fine motor skills, such as putting and chipping.
3) Yips normally only affect players with a long term exposure to golf and putting, and is not in itself age related. I don't know any senior golfers who took up golf later in life that have them, but several who have played for most of their lives
(including me) who do. Often older touring pros and elite amateurs are prone to getting them, e.g. Ben Hogan, Harry Vardon, Tommy Armour and Sam Torrance.

You forgot Sergio!

Just blatantly stirring now and I apologise profusely

 

[delc]

I know, you have told me over and over again, and keep bleating on about it isn't going to change the fact that I don't believe you or any of the people at your club you are telling have the yips actually have the yips. The fact you can't hit a short chip with a 7i isn't the yips. I struggle with the same shot, I don't have the yips, I just struggle with short swings so I use less loft and a longer swing which I have more control over. Having bad technique or not being very good at something isn't the yips.

I was pretty good at bump and runs with a mid-iron before the yips set in. Why do you guys not understand that they are a serious problem for some players and can be career ending for tour pros? :mmm:

 

[Foxholer]

I was pretty good at bump and runs with a mid-iron before the yips set in. Why do you guys not understand that they are a serious problem for some players and can be career ending for tour pros? :mmm:

What's this got to do with 'Bunker Yips'?

Stop Trolling!

And 'Stop feeding the Trolls' Hawkeye!