Smoothing the bunker to care for the course

[bobmac]

Absolutely, it is allowed in the rules. But, I was simply thinking about the scenario in real life, and it would seem a lot more hassle to carry your bag into a small bunker. So why bother, even if it allowed? Of course, perhaps there would be a good reason in a specific case, so go for it.

I was simply saying it is more applicable for a large bunker. Probably easier to get in, and the advantage is that you can take your clubs with you, and decide on your shot once you get to your ball. Rather than leaving your clubs outside the bunker, walking back and forth, etc.

You're not going to get into an argument by agreeing with what I said

 

[Troymcclure]

Tour school two stroke penalty...ouch.

That has got to sting.. https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news/tour-news/european-tour-hopeful-falls-foul-of-unusual-golf-rule-168333

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Thanks for digging that out.

But wasn’t that scenario a breach of Rule 8 (Course Played as It Is Found) rather than 12 which relates to scenarios where the ball is in the bunker?

Which still begs the question - I don’t know why it intrigues me - of whether a breach of Rule 12.2b (Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker) from raking EVER gets penalised.

 

[hambugerpete]

Thanks for digging that out.

But wasn’t that scenario a breach of Rule 8 (Course Played as It Is Found) rather than 12 which relates to scenarios where the ball is in the bunker?

Which still begs the question - I don’t know why it intrigues me - of whether a breach of Rule 12.2b (Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker) from raking EVER gets penalised.

Im not aware of it outside my friend getting it applied to him incorrectly. You pretty much know what a bunker is like by virtue of walking into it , so it makes sense to allow the raking and stuff.

 

[Colin L]

Thanks for digging that out.

But wasn’t that scenario a breach of Rule 8 (Course Played as It Is Found) rather than 12 which relates to scenarios where the ball is in the bunker?

Which still begs the question - I don’t know why it intrigues me - of whether a breach of Rule 12.2b (Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker) from raking EVER gets penalised.

Well spotted. There are two clues: the article is dated 2018 and the Rule number is hyphenated. The 2019 Rules changed to the use of a full stop instead of a hyphen. The relevant Rule, now 8.1 , is not related to bunkers the rules for which are in Rule 12

The most likely breaches of 12.2b(1) are, I reckon, touching sand with the backswing and , less likely with a practice swing.

 

[Troymcclure]

Well spotted. There are two clues: the article is dated 2018 and the Rule number is hyphenated. The 2019 Rules changed to the use of a full stop instead of a hyphen. The relevant Rule, now 8.1 , is not related to bunkers the rules for which are in Rule 12

The most likely breaches of 12.2b(1) are, I reckon, touching sand with the backswing and , less likely with a practice swing.

Yeah I thought about excluding the Numbers to avoid confusion as the point I wanted to make was simply that it wasn’t the Rule we’re discussing

You guys probably discussed this at the time so forgive me going off-topic but your comment about practice swing being a less likely transgression than backswing reminds me that Patrick Reed’s one at the Hero was practice swing and he did it more than once. Should the penalty not have applied for however many times he did it?

 

[Colin L]

Yeah I thought about excluding the Numbers to avoid confusion as the point I wanted to make was simply that it wasn’t the Rule we’re discussing

You guys probably discussed this at the time so forgive me going off-topic but your comment about practice swing being a less likely transgression than backswing reminds me that Patrick Reed’s one at the Hero was practice swing and he did it more than once. Should the penalty not have applied for however many times he did it?

Re Patrick Reed. Just the one penalty provided there had not been an "intervening event", that is, completion of a stroke or knowing/finding out/being told that what he was doing was a breach. In this instance, the most likely would have been for someone to have said "Oi Patrick, you're not allowed to do that" (see Rule 1.3c(4)

The notion that touching on your backswing is more likely is conjecture on my part.

 

[Troymcclure]

Re Patrick Reed. Just the one penalty provided there had not been an "intervening event", that is, completion of a stroke or knowing/finding out/being told that what he was doing was a breach. In this instance, the most likely would have been for someone to have said "Oi Patrick, you're not allowed to do that" (see Rule 1.3c(4)

That makes sense.

The notion that touching on your backswing is more likely is conjecture on my part.

I’d agree. It just reminded me of the incident

 

[rulie]

Thanks for digging that out.

But wasn’t that scenario a breach of Rule 8 (Course Played as It Is Found) rather than 12 which relates to scenarios where the ball is in the bunker?

Which still begs the question - I don’t know why it intrigues me - of whether a breach of Rule 12.2b (Restrictions on Touching Sand in Bunker) from raking EVER gets penalised.

The Rule(s) apply the penalty only if there is a breach. They often just say what you cannot do and give the result if you happen to breach the Rule(s).
Careful players don't flirt with the Rules, hence don't get penalized.