evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Well he's made clubs for Payne Stewart in the past that should do.
Bugbear of mine
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Well he's made clubs for Payne Stewart in the past that should do.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Ask any club-fitter!
And I certainly agree with a number of posters attitude to the spoon-feeding he OP seems to want. If a particular attribute about a Driver concerns/is important to you, then do a bit of research! It's not up to the mag to specify what an advertiser does/does not put in their adverts - though they might note certain attributes in any review!
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evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Let's get this clear, nowhere have I stated that the magazine should have any influence on what the advertisers put in there magazine.
What I did say was if they are carrying these advertisements I felt they have some responsibility to there readers, when they give a review of a driver to include the importance of shaft length.
Simple as that.
Foxholer
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Makes this paragragh from the OP look a bit pointless/misleading/unclear then!
evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
It's easy to quote part of post and seem out of context.
I would hope it was made clear enough if anyone read the whole post that this meant if they carried these advertisements they should expand in the reviews.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I'm sure some of the online reviews have included shaft lengths in them. I think it's a nice idea if GM and the other magazines can add it into the technical data, but I don't see why the pressure should be on the manufacturer. They include the information on their websites and they are spending their advertising revenue to lure you in. Whether you then make an informed decision based on the data around, go into the store/pro shop and ask the question or just splash the cash is an individual choice.
evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Your right Homer I think GM have done online reviews, and I agree it would be a good idea to include it in there technical data in reviews, that's basically all I was asking for.
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I'm still unsure about what the issue is ?
Shaft lengths don't ever appear to be something that will be needed in a review or an advert - it's not what would attract people or take their eye ( which is what the advert is needed for )
Once something has taken your eye then it's time to investigate the particulars of the club/clubs - lofts , shaft weight and length , grips etc.
Why does an advert need shaft length ?
Shaft lengths don't ever appear to be something that will be needed in a review or an advert - it's not what would attract people or take their eye ( which is what the advert is needed for )
Once something has taken your eye then it's time to investigate the particulars of the club/clubs - lofts , shaft weight and length , grips etc.
Why does an advert need shaft length ?
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I'm certain the reivewers have mentioned the length in some (not all) reviews and it would be good if they at least mentioned the stock shaft length. I know the manufacturers all have it on their website but it wouldn't take much to add one more line into a printed review. Of course the manufacturer won't include it in an advert and to be fair why would they? It isn't the point of an ad
evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Have you read Tom Wishons views on shaft lengths ?
If so please explain why you think shaft lengths don't need to be mentioned in a review.
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Im not saying that shaft lengths aren't crucial etc etc
Just don't see why they need to be mentioned on an advert or why it's such a big deal if a review doesn't mention the shaft length when the info is easily found at the fingertip. That doesn't change because of Tom Wishon.
If someone is attracted to a club then it will be on looks then feel then how they hit the ball with the club - I haven't got a clue how long any of my clubs are or any of the previous ones are or any I have tested - they have made no difference to how I feel about a club - the only thing the matters is how the ball goes when hit.
evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Right this is my last post on the subject, getting fed up with people mentioning adverts I've never said manufactures should mention them in there marketing and given the reasons why they won't ,why can't some read the bloody posts correctly?
I've already stated why I think reviews should mention shaft lengths , not going to repeat myself again.
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Ok
You mentioned earlier that manufacturers should put in the right/correct shaft in their drivers - I asked why does one shaft make it right/correct
You also said that manufacturers should say that the driver will be of no use to you unless custom fit ? When was it decided that off the shelf drivers without custom fit make the club useless ?
And please don't say Tom Wishon says so because every single person is different - certainly plenty believe that custom fit isn't always the answer
evahakool
Challenge Tour Pro
Read the bloody posts correctly it's not hard.
I never said the manufacters said the the club will be of no use unless you get a custom fit, I mention this should be said in a review by the magazine.
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I also never said that you said "the manufacturers said the club will be of no use etc "
I believe my post said that the manufacteres should say etc etc
But reading back I see my error and you said that the review should say that the club is of no use without custom fit or words to that effect
So my questions still stand In regards correct/right shaft and in regards everyone must be custom fit to have the correct club
sawtooth
Tour Winner
Aren't all the club spec's on those things called websites?
Does everyone know to check websites for information? Wouldn't it be easy for the club manufacturer to include it with the club? And maybe a suggestion that custom fitting is also a good idea?
OP has a point in my opinion, shaft length is quite a critical spec and I can guarantee that the stock shaft length will not be optimal for both a 6 ft 4 person and somebody who is 5 ft 7
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
OP definitely has a point but some seem determined to move away from a driver review to a manufactures advert
If a driver review (be it printed, website or video) includes such specs as loft or clubhead CC or shaft weight, colours, grip type etc then omitting the shaft length screams out that there's a flaw in the review, why leave out a critical component of the stock model but include others
And yes the shaft length is available from other sources but so are the other stats that have been included, so why leave that one out
Is it purposely being withheld (not even going to go there) or perhaps deemed insignificant in relation to performance compared to other stats (we know this can't be true)
What other reason would lead to its omission? (& surely we're not going to rely on word count!)
If a driver review (be it printed, website or video) includes such specs as loft or clubhead CC or shaft weight, colours, grip type etc then omitting the shaft length screams out that there's a flaw in the review, why leave out a critical component of the stock model but include others
And yes the shaft length is available from other sources but so are the other stats that have been included, so why leave that one out
Is it purposely being withheld (not even going to go there) or perhaps deemed insignificant in relation to performance compared to other stats (we know this can't be true)
What other reason would lead to its omission? (& surely we're not going to rely on word count!)
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Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Its not just product reviews either
If you go to many online retailers and pick a driver at random, the majority of the time the product description will list things like club head CC or shaft weight (even the grams in an adjustable weight) but its much much harder to find one that tells you the shaft length
And this is at point of sale! Yup you can very often purchase a golf club and a no point will the retailer reveal what size it is
Just seems a bit strange
If you go to many online retailers and pick a driver at random, the majority of the time the product description will list things like club head CC or shaft weight (even the grams in an adjustable weight) but its much much harder to find one that tells you the shaft length
And this is at point of sale! Yup you can very often purchase a golf club and a no point will the retailer reveal what size it is
Just seems a bit strange
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I dread to think how many drivers I have bought over the 30 years I have been playing golf.
The only three things I look for are.....
1. A regular shaft
2. At least 10.5 degrees of loft.
3. How it looks
I've never given shaft length a second thought?????????
The only three things I look for are.....
1. A regular shaft
2. At least 10.5 degrees of loft.
3. How it looks
I've never given shaft length a second thought?????????
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I dread to think how many drivers I have bought over the 30 years I have been playing golf.
The only three things I look for are.....
1. A regular shaft
2. At least 10.5 degrees of loft.
3. How it looks
I've never given shaft length a second thought?????????
A cynic would say your case helps prove that by omitting it folks will disregard it, despite its importance to a successful strike
