Broom Handle Putters

[Deleted member 15344]

OK, putt for the Club Championship, or for a match, when you know exactly what you need. My first yipped putt was for a win in a foursomes match.

Again it's just social golf it's not golf that means you need to earn a living.

It doesn't make it any different.

It doesn't really matter and you will hit the ball again the next time you play with no worries because it's a hobby.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

OK, putt for the Club Championship, or for a match, when you know exactly what you need. My first yipped putt was for a win in a foursomes match.

You claim to have cured your yips by changing grip so why the need to make the hole bigger?

 

[delc]

You claim to have cured your yips by changing grip so why the need to make the hole bigger?

I would much rather not have had them in the first place! I came close to giving up golf altogether because I could no longer get even vaguely respectable scores, and I could miss 6" putts! Fortunately I discovered the claw grip just in time!

 

[duncan mackie]

I would much rather not have had them in the first place! I came close to giving up golf altogether because I could no longer get even vaguely respectable scores, and I could miss 6" putts! Fortunately I discovered the claw grip just in time!

I understand the yips, but don't understand how changing he hole size impacts on them the way you suggest.

The mental function is a simple relationship between expected performance and the fear of failing to perform to that.

Make the hole bigger and you simply change the expectation ie you have exactly the same pressure on a 10ft straight putt that you previously had for a 4ft one.

Nothing else changes.

 

[delc]

I understand the yips, but don't understand how changing he hole size impacts on them the way you suggest.

The mental function is a simple relationship between expected performance and the fear of failing to perform to that.

Make the hole bigger and you simply change the expectation ie you have exactly the same pressure on a 10ft straight putt that you previously had for a 4ft one.

Nothing else changes.

You are much more likely to get an approach chip or long putt within 10 feet than 4 feet! I think its fear of 3 putts that gets to people eventually!

 

[duncan mackie]

You are much more likely to get an approach chip or long putt within 10 feet than 4 feet! I think its fear of 3 putts that gets to people eventually!

Flawed logic again - more likely to get it to 4 ft from X yards is irelevant for the same reason.
You have already defined the cause of the yips in an earlier post - fear of failure. What constitutes failure is also irelevant because it just changes make the hole big enough and it might be a fear of 2 putting!

 

[delc]

Flawed logic again - more likely to get it to 4 ft from X yards is irelevant for the same reason.
You have already defined the cause of the yips in an earlier post - fear of failure. What constitutes failure is also irelevant because it just changes make the hole big enough and it might be a fear of 2 putting!

Actually we don't really know exactly what causes the yips. It may be anxiety, fear of failure, psychological, neurological, or physical. What we do know is that they generally affect well learned, almost automatic fine motor skills such as putting and chipping in golf. Musicians such as pianists and guitar players can also get a form of them. A condition called focal dystonia, which is a localised loss of muscle control has been suggested. Watching somebody trying to putt with the yips is generally rather painful to see. Usually they can only manage an uncontrolled and jerky stab at the ball which can send it almost anywhere. In extreme cases they may not even be able to start their backswing! The only way of proving that the size of the golf hole has an effect would be to run a long term clinical trial, with one group only putting into a larger hole and a control group putting into the existing sized hole. My gut feeling is that slightly larger hole, say 5 or 6 " in diameter would reduce the incidence of the yips. For everyone who doesn't have the yips there would be the additional benefits of fewer lip-outs or horseshoes out of the hole!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you can't get the ball in the hole that has been the same size for hundreds of years then instead of continuly crying to increase the size either deal with it as you are a social HC golfer with nothing riding on the game bar enjoyment or go and play another sport

The size of the hole will not increase not many how many times you keep droning on about it so maybe it's time to park it and consign into the depths forever instead of going on about it every two months when ever you are given the opportunity.

It's time for you to stop - either play the game as it is or play something else - simple

 

[c1973]

Do we not use a bigger ball now than we did years ago? Or is it smaller? Not sure, but the ball has defo changed size.

Did the hole change size when this happened? I'm just thinking, bigger ball should have led to bigger hole.

 

[duncan mackie]

Do we not use a bigger ball now than we did years ago? Or is it smaller? Not sure, but the ball has defo changed size.

Did the hole change size when this happened? I'm just thinking, bigger ball should have led to bigger hole.

Yawn.....

 

[duncan mackie]

Actually we don't really know exactly what causes the yips. It may be anxiety, fear of failure, psychological, neurological, or physical. What we do know is that they generally affect well learned, almost automatic fine motor skills such as putting and chipping in golf. Musicians such as pianists and guitar players can also get a form of them. A condition called focal dystonia, which is a localised loss of muscle control has been suggested. Watching somebody trying to putt with the yips is generally rather painful to see. Usually they can only manage an uncontrolled and jerky stab at the ball which can send it almost anywhere. In extreme cases they may not even be able to start their backswing! The only way of proving that the size of the golf hole has an effect would be to run a long term clinical trial, with one group only putting into a larger hole and a control group putting into the existing sized hole. My gut feeling is that slightly larger hole, say 5 or 6 " in diameter would reduce the incidence of the yips. For everyone who doesn't have the yips there would be the additional benefits of fewer lip-outs or horseshoes out of the hole!

Rubbish - and that's according to your earlier post, not my opinion!

The general cause is known - after that it's purely a matter of what triggers the response within any individual.

The physiology is the same as, and most easily illustrated, with the balance function and a simple matter of raising the bar (that you are balancing on). For most people there are the natural reactions associated with simple fear ( issues start from a height that is perceived to represent danger) but for some the reactions become extreme and, to the external observer, irrational. The shared element being the inability of the mind to control the motor function you mention - another being that without increasing the risk (height in this case but consider an unchanged putt as well) but simply increasing the time the subject has to consider the consequence, the effect is increased ie it's the mind processing the information rather than the information that is the underlying issue.

 

[delc]

Do we not use a bigger ball now than we did years ago? Or is it smaller? Not sure, but the ball has defo changed size.

Did the hole change size when this happened? I'm just thinking, bigger ball should have led to bigger hole.

The British golf ball used to be slightly smaller than the US one, at 1.62" in diameter compared with 1.68". About a 4% difference. The British ball was banned from the Open Championship in 1974 and made non-conforming for everyone in 1990. Unfortunately the hole size was not increase pro rata. See:

http://golf.about.com/od/golfterms/g/british-ball.htm

 

[buggerlugs]

If I couldn't putt reasonably well or drive or hit irons to at least 18 handicap, I would give up golf and find another hobby. I wouldn't moan that the hole was too small or ask for the course to be altered so that I could it play better or ask for a 60 inch putter. If you make the hole bigger you may then play to 18 but 10 handicappers would play to scratch so where would your advantage be? A bigger handicap is the only advantage you need if you can't play golf !

 

[delc]

If I couldn't putt reasonably well or drive or hit irons to at least 18 handicap, I would give up golf and find another hobby. I wouldn't moan that the hole was too small or ask for the course to be altered so that I could it play better or ask for a 60 inch putter. If you make the hole bigger you may then play to 18 but 10 handicappers would play to scratch so where would your advantage be? A bigger handicap is the only advantage you need if you can't play golf !

Actually a slightly larger hole, say 5" diameter would make less difference than you might think. Maybe one less 3-putt or one more birdie per round. How many of your long putts even get within a foot of the hole?

P.S. my handicap is currently 12 and was down to 10 a few months ago, so i don't seem to have any reason to give up golf by your definition!

 

[Foxholer]

Changing the size of the hole WILL NOT STOP THE YIPS! It will just change the distance when those who suffer encounter them!

So STOP TROLLING in a virtually unrelated thread!

 

[delc]

Changing the size of the hole WILL NOT STOP THE YIPS! It will just change the distance when those who suffer encounter them!

So STOP TROLLING in a virtually unrelated thread!

As I pointed out before, the only need for the long putter is as a crutch for players who have developed the yips, so they can still play the game and putt reasonably well, if you can get on with the things, which I can't!

Without a properly controlled clinical trial, you have no basis for what you are saying. Making the hole bigger may reduce the incidence of the yips, or may make no difference.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Actually a slightly larger hole, say 5" diameter would make less difference than you might think. Maybe one less 3-putt or one more birdie per round. How many of your long putts even get within a foot of the hole?

P.S. my handicap is currently 12 and was down to 10 a few months ago, so i don't seem to have any reason to give up golf by your definition!

Del, if you want to bange on about the same old things with the same flawed arguments, have the decency to do it in your own thread rather than hijacking something unrelated. That way I can choose to ignore it based on the Title.

 

[c1973]

Yawn.....

Whoosh!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Making the hole bigger may reduce the incidence of the yips, or may make no difference.

Has the penny finally dropped?

 

[Foxholer]

As I pointed out before, the only need for the long putter is as a crutch for players who have developed the yips, so they can still play the game and putt reasonably well, if you can get on with the things, which I can't!

Complete Rubbish!

Bradley and others used long putters right from the start!

Now stop trolling!