Brois Johnson - oh dear

Seeing our towsle-haired blondie Boris today sat next to US Sec of State John Kerry and along from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov - I could not but wonder what on earth they think of him. Not sure given his Brexit shenanigans they'll be thinking that his word is one to listen to - never mind trust.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Seeing our towsle-haired blondie Boris today sat next to US Sec of State John Kerry and along from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov - I could not but wonder what on earth they think of him. Not sure given his Brexit shenanigans they'll be thinking that his word is one to listen to - never mind trust.
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And pray tell me for what great acts of international diplomacy have either of these giants been responsible.

Intellectually he is, at least, their equal although, as yet, he may lack their experience. We shall have to wait and see.
 
MetalMickie said:
And pray tell me for what great acts of international diplomacy have either of these giants been responsible.

Intellectually he is, at least, their equal although, as yet, he may lack their experience. We shall have to wait and see.
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We will indeed have to wait to hear his wise words and what foreign policies and influence he develops and commands. Who knows.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's one of opinion based on the fact that he is a serial liar - the most recently obvious being the £350m that could go to the NHS.
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Is there any reason that you are so keen to pick up on lies from any politician from Westminster but less so when it come to politicians from the SNP? It's ok, you don't have to answer that, but would you like any salt or vinegar to put on the chips you've obviously got on both shoulders?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's one of opinion based on the fact that he is a serial liar - the most recently obvious being the £350m that could go to the NHS.
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This £350 million you talk of is an exaggeration of what was said. The point was made that we would have the money we pay to the EU to spend on projects like the NHS.
 
SocketRocket said:
This £350 million you talk of is an exaggeration of what was said. The point was made that we would have the money we pay to the EU to spend on projects like the NHS.
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Although even you must admit that having it printed on the side of the campaign bus was a bad idea. Especially as we all know that the £350 million claim wasn't factually accurate.
 
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£350m wasn't an exaggeration of what was said.
 
SocketRocket said:
This £350 million you talk of is an exaggeration of what was said. The point was made that we would have the money we pay to the EU to spend on projects like the NHS.
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Yes - it was certainly an exaggeration - by Boris - and when a not insignificant number of the electorate thought it was money going to the NHS neither he nor any Leavers made any attempt to disabuse them of the notion - they just let it go - because it made great copy and a great selling point for the Brexit case. And enough folks were taken in - and it worked.

And what was Boris's other key Brexit selling point? - yes it was the idea that Turkey was about to join the EU and how damaging hordes of Turkish immigrants would be to the UK. And so now we see our Foreign Secretary snuggling up to the Turkish president telling him that the UK will do everything that we can to support Turkey accession to the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

Now he may have a cunning plan thinking Turkey joining the EU will totally undermine the EU and give the UK even greater strength in relationships with a UK-less EU - but I am not so sure. But it's OK - because - of course - we will be in total control of our borders and immigration and hence would never be impacted by the Turkish immigration chaos Brexiteers threatened us with.

And in the article does our dear Foreign Secretary look statesman-like - er no - he looks just a little sheepish.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
We knew that within a few hours of the bus going out.
Yet people still voted for them:confused:
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Because Brexiteers refused to tell them that their interpretation of the £350m was incorrect - and refused to adjust the figure (the lie) to reflect the actual balance paid. They just let the lie and the misunderstanding run - because if it swayed a section of the electorate to vote Leave then job done - deal with the fallout afterwards - which for Boris was never going to be the case as we weren't going to vote to Leave.

Anyway - with Brexit we are where we are - though beyond leaving I have no idea where we are or where we are going - and I doubt anyone actually does. But somewhere over the rainbow our is the palcle we will be - I await getting that picture painted in time by May's Merrie band.
 
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There is a point where voters have to actually engage thier brains and work out if a promise is true or fantasy. The £350m was clearly fantasy and this was highlighted on day 1 and repeated regularly. I can't believe anyone based their vote on this and if they did then they were clearly so stupid that nothing anyone else said would change their minds.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
There is a point where voters have to actually engage thier brains and work out if a promise is true or fantasy. The £350m was clearly fantasy and this was highlighted on day 1 and repeated regularly. I can't believe anyone based their vote on this and if they did then they were clearly so stupid that nothing anyone else said would change their minds.
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You mustn't imply that any voters were that stupid to be taken in by the lies of Boris and his cronies. I now have absolutely no idea of what Boris's view on Turkey accession is...or has it changed - as his view on Brexit did prior to start of campaigning.
 
I'm not accusing Leave voters of being stupid any more more than Remain voters. Any voter who believes such obviously ridiculous claims needs to engage their brain more. Both sides spouted more nonsense than I have ever heard in any previous election / vote. You need to sieve out the clear nonsense and see what is left.
 
ColchesterFC said:
SocketRocket said:
This £350 million you talk of is an exaggeration of what was said. The point was made that we would have the money we pay to the EU to spend on projects like the NHS.
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Although even you must admit that having it printed on the side of the campaign bus was a bad idea. Especially as we all know that the £350 million claim wasn't factually accurate.
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Let's not beat around the bush! It was a blatant lie!

The other statements on the bus were fine - if classic election/referendum-speak (hinting at something good, but promising nothing!)!

Whether either of the top 2 lines in the pic in jp5's post swayed anyone is debatable. I'm more inclined to think that it was the bottom line (:rolleyes:) that most Brexiters went for!

Lord Tyrion said:
There is a point where voters have to actually engage thier brains and work out if a promise is true or fantasy. The £350m was clearly fantasy and this was highlighted on day 1 and repeated regularly. I can't believe anyone based their vote on this and if they did then they were clearly so stupid that nothing anyone else said would change their minds.
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No! This is entirely the wrong way around! those making the promises should be forced to justify them! And if they cannot, then appropriate sanctions should be applied!

What you are suggesting would simply allow unjustifiable claims - blatant lies - to be made without any challenges!

Even Osborne's £4200 cost claim had some justification, though the fact that it was the 'high end' of Treasury estimates and did include 'up to' at some stage was conveniently forgotten!
 
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