British Masters player support

[TheDiablo]

The guys play on two tours , they need to pick and choose their events depending on their schedule- Poulter I believe played most of the summer on the ET and has played a total of 7 events not including the majors and WGC - Casey has played 3 and hasn’t played one British Masters I believe where as Poulter has hosted one and also played in another. Casey also at one stage chucked in his ET membership - There can never be any comparison.

The players aren’t robots - they need time to relax and spend time with their families - Poulters time is now , he has just finished a very intense period so now it’s time for his to spend with his family as opposed to playing just a regular ET event - it’s not a “key event” it’s a small ET event at the back end of the season whilst most people take a break before the season ending comps - in the upcoming Masters out of the top ten ranked players 5 are English. They can’t all play every event - I suspect if the British ( not English ) Masters was held in June you would prob get a more heavy loaded field but when do you want these guys to take a break ? Even more so when they play on two tours and a lot live in the US and have young families

Nothing to say on your claim that English guys support local events more than the rest of the Home Nations? I'll take that as a concession that you were making stuff up.

There can definitely be a comparison - who are you to say otherwise?

Poulter plays a US schedule + Rolex events, don't try and dress it up any differently. He only played the summer in Europe this year because he had already locked up his PGA Tour card with his W and he was chasing automatic qual for the RC via the European points list. That's hardly a ringing endorsement and I'd be surprised if he (of Casey) play more than the bare minimum next year. No 'standard' tour stops other than a token appearance at the BM in 3 years now. Even Casey managed 1 of them this year! In no way is Poults 'supporting' the tour, and nor should he or anyone feel obliged to.

If he really needed a rest to spend time with his family, why is he off around the other side of the world to play in an also ran event in a couple of weeks? (hint - $$$)

This isnt an anti Poulter post. All players have to balance a huge number of various priorities and I'd never judge any of them for making a decision in the best interest of their family life (unlike you have).

You hold different standards up to different people, which is a shame.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nothing to say on your claim that English guys support local events more than the rest of the Home Nations? I'll take that as a concession that you were making stuff up.

I actually there appears to be more Englishman playing in the events - mainly because there appears to be more Englishman on the ET than the other home nations - I think there is about 35 English players in the British Masters - is that about a quarter of the field ? Or do you only look at the top 5 ?

There can definitely be a comparison - who are you to say otherwise?

Poulter plays a US schedule + Rolex events, don't try and dress it up any differently. He only played the summer in Europe this year because he had already locked up his PGA Tour card with his W and he was chasing automatic qual for the RC via the European points list. That's hardly a ringing endorsement and I'd be surprised if he (of Casey) play more than the bare minimum next year. No 'standard' tour stops other than a token appearance at the BM in 3 years now. Even Casey managed 1 of them this year! In no way is Poults 'supporting' the tour, and nor should he or anyone feel obliged to.

If he really needed a rest to spend time with his family, why is he off around the other side of the world to play in an also ran event in a couple of weeks? (hint - $$$)

This isnt an anti Poulter post. All players have to balance a huge number of various priorities and I'd never judge any of them for making a decision in the best interest of their family life (unlike you have).

You hold different standards up to different people, which is a shame.

Casey gave up his ET membership - he has never really been a full time member of the ET always playing the bare minimum but when he lost his PGA Card he came back for a good result then disappeared - Poulter has always come back to play events , he has hosted events and quite clearly plays a considerable amount of ET over the years , hasn’t ever given up his tour card

So yes I will treat very differently - because they both have had clear different attitudes towards the ET. Does it matter if he plays the Rolex only - even though this year he did also play in two “non Rolex” events . He took a great deal amount of time out of his own schedule to host a ET event - did a hell of a lot more than people think - has Casey ? Has Casey even come back for one BM ? It wouldn’t surprise me if Casey leaves the ET at some point soon again , don’t expect Poulter ever will.

And so what if Poulter is going to play in event other side of the world in a couple of weeks - that’s nearly a month after the RC.

But as for Casey - my opinion on him wont change because he won’t do anything different to make me change my opinion

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Someone round here is talking with more than a little Leighton Buzzard/Woburn bias.

None of the US based Ryder Cup players are "loyal" to the European Tour. Why would they be?

They will play a schedule that suits them and their families and as long as they retain their PGA Tour cards those schedules will be US based. Appearances on the ET will be no more necessary.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Someone round here is talking with more than a little Leighton Buzzard/Woburn bias.

None of the US based Ryder Cup players are "loyal" to the European Tour. Why would they be?

They will play a schedule that suits them and their families and as long as they retain their PGA Tour cards those schedules will be US based. Appearances on the ET will be no more necessary.

I don’t think has said Poulter is loyal and your last paragraph is pretty much what i said - other were being critical that a few English guys weren’t playing in the “British” Masters as if it wasn’t them supporting the tour - just pointed out that Poulter was one of the guys who actually hosted it one year . He plays the schedule that suits him and his family life and he is prob having a well earned rest at the moment. Poulter this year has played a few more than required ( as well as playing two of the British Masters - he was injured for one and taking a break at the moment ) and he seems to play the odd one or two more than the minimum requirement

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I don’t think has said Poulter is loyal and your last paragraph is pretty much what i said - other were being critical that a few English guys weren’t playing in the “British” Masters as if it wasn’t them supporting the tour - just pointed out that Poulter was one of the guys who actually hosted it one year . He plays the schedule that suits him and his family life and he is prob having a well earned rest at the moment. Poulter this year has played a few more than required ( as well as playing two of the British Masters - he was injured for one and taking a break at the moment ) and he seems to play the odd one or two more than the minimum requirement

In your earlier post you referred to Poulter hosting events (plural) on the ET whereas I can only remember the BM at Woburn.

He certainly doesn't appear to play any more ET events than necessary to keep his card other than this year in his attempt to qualify automatically for the RC.

Also it shouldn't be forgotten that the four hosts of the BM have been rewarded for their efforts.

 

[TheDiablo]

I actually there appears to be more Englishman playing in the events - mainly because there appears to be more Englishman on the ET than the other home nations - I think there is about 35 English players in the British Masters - is that about a quarter of the field ? Or do you only look at the top 5 ?



Casey gave up his ET membership - he has never really been a full time member of the ET always playing the bare minimum but when he lost his PGA Card he came back for a good result then disappeared - Poulter has always come back to play events , he has hosted events and quite clearly plays a considerable amount of ET over the years , hasn’t ever given up his tour card

So yes I will treat very differently - because they both have had clear different attitudes towards the ET. Does it matter if he plays the Rolex only - even though this year he did also play in two “non Rolex” events . He took a great deal amount of time out of his own schedule to host a ET event - did a hell of a lot more than people think - has Casey ? Has Casey even come back for one BM ? It wouldn’t surprise me if Casey leaves the ET at some point soon again , don’t expect Poulter ever will.

And so what if Poulter is going to play in event other side of the world in a couple of weeks - that’s nearly a month after the RC.

But as for Casey - my opinion on him wont change because he won’t do anything different to make me change my opinion

That's simply because there is more of Englishmen on tour, but hey you carry on being facetious. The fact is that top English golfers all take a pass on playing home events when they can. The same can't be said of other home nations - yet you tried to claim other events in the home nations arent being supported by locals - something proved entirely incorrect.

Ian Poulter hasnt played a proper ET season since 2006. He only came back this year to try and qualify for the RC - nothing noble (or wrong) about that! The Middle East swing is Rolex Series in all but name - the purses are equivalent. That's absolutely fine, but defend one to the hilt while berating another for doing the exact same thing.

To be absolutely clear, I have no problem with Poulter resting this week and choosing a schedule to best fit his family life. That priority is something I actually admire in someone. It's you that has the problem with Casey for the same reason. I'm just calling out the massive, gaping, huge contradiction. But then it seems you live a life of contradictions so I'm not surprised.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say on here Phil and enjoyed our round at the Berkshire but that last line is quite pathetic. You seem to go through phases of being hugely negative and defensive on here and are right in the middle of one at the moment - not everyone is out to get you. You spend so much time on here you could at least try and make it look like you enjoy yourself! I'm done - enjoy your evening.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's simply because there is more of Englishmen on tour, but hey you carry on being facetious. The fact is that top English golfers all take a pass on playing home events when they can. The same can't be said of other home nations - yet you tried to claim other events in the home nations arent being supported by locals - something proved entirely incorrect.

Did I ? Are you sure about that - maybe read back and you will see I actually said most of them don’t have a choice because that’s the tour card they have a lot of them only play on the ET and those Opens are also Rolex events which attract the top Europeans plus one was a Ryder Cup course

Ian Poulter hasnt played a proper ET season since 2006. He only came back this year to try and qualify for the RC - nothing noble (or wrong) about that! The Middle East swing is Rolex Series in all but name - the purses are equivalent. That's absolutely fine, but defend one to the hilt while berating another for doing the exact same thing.

To be absolutely clear, I have no problem with Poulter resting this week and choosing a schedule to best fit his family life. That priority is something I actually admire in someone. It's you that has the problem with Casey for the same reason. I'm just calling out the massive, gaping, huge contradiction. But then it seems you live a life of contradictions so I'm not surprised.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say on here Phil and enjoyed our round at the Berkshire but that last line is quite pathetic. You seem to go through phases of being hugely negative and defensive on here and are right in the middle of one at the moment - not everyone is out to get you. You spend so much time on here you could at least try and make it look like you enjoy yourself! I'm done - enjoy your evening.

I don’t think I have said that Poulter is playing a “proper” season on the ET - he has to juggle two tours , don’t think I have said anything different

As for the top Englishmen - there is three guys missing out of 40 - one guy hardly plays on the ET , one guy has played two out the three Masters hosting one and the other needs a break after trying to defend his Dunhill - yet it’s painted as if the English aren’t supporting the “home comps” yet quite clearly there are plenty from England who play week in week out .

As for Casey I berate him for giving up his ET card just after the tour gave him his lifeline - that’s what i berate him for and it’s sometning you fail to grasp - he lost his PGA Tour card - came back to the ET did well in an event got an invite back to the PGA then dumped the ET - unless I mistaken Poulter hasn’t done that. Casey won’t change my opinion of him because he won’t be able to take that back - and I suspect he will chuck the card in again soon enough.

Poulter has played a good number of events - he has supported the Masters in the past as well as hosting it and I expect if asked again he would do something

As for the rest of your post - it’s all starting to go a bit personal so I won’t drop to that level

The main Crux of is the issue is

It’s the British Masters - and a number of the top Europeans aren’t playing for various reasons - someone suggested that the English players should support their own event because the French supported theirs etc etc - well first its not their event it’s a British Event - secondly a great deal amount of them are and have done all throughout the year. You brought Casey into it because I suggested that Poulter would be have a bit of time off after the Ryder Cup but that the English guys do support events throughout the year. The rest maybe lost in translation but I’ll make it clear - my issue with Casey isn’t solely down to him only playing the minimum of events

 

[Golfmmad]

The guys play on two tours , they need to pick and choose their events depending on their schedule- Poulter I believe played most of the summer on the ET and has played a total of 7 events not including the majors and WGC - Casey has played 3 and hasn’t played one British Masters I believe where as Poulter has hosted one and also played in another. Casey also at one stage chucked in his ET membership - There can never be any comparison.

The players aren’t robots - they need time to relax and spend time with their families - Poulters time is now , he has just finished a very intense period so now it’s time for his to spend with his family as opposed to playing just a regular ET event - it’s not a “key event” it’s a small ET event at the back end of the season whilst most people take a break before the season ending comps - in the upcoming Masters out of the top ten ranked players 5 are English. They can’t all play every event - I suspect if the British ( not English ) Masters was held in June you would prob get a more heavy loaded field but when do you want these guys to take a break ? Even more so when they play on two tours and a lot live in the US and have young families

You seem to have a complete dislike of Paul Casey,and your post is so contradictory.
When Casey decided to not play in the ET he said that after much careful consideration he decided that his family should always come first and that he wanted to spend more time with them. I dont call that "Chucking in his ET membership.
Just as you said above, "They need time to relax and spend time with their families", and, "A lot live in the US and have young families".

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You seem to have a complete dislike of Paul Casey,and your post is so contradictory.
When Casey decided to not play in the ET he said that after much careful consideration he decided that his family should always come first and that he wanted to spend more time with them. I dont call that "Chucking in his ET membership.
Just as you said above, "They need time to relax and spend time with their families", and, "A lot live in the US and have young families".

He lost his PGA Card - before that he played minimum to try and play RC but threw his toys out when he didn’t get picked for 2010 - when he lost his PGA tour card he then played on the ET but demanded changes to the RC qualification to allow people like him to play less events but still qualify to represent ET in the RC - they announced the changes but he decided not to be a member anymore. If it was a family decision why did he come back again ? I don’t believe him - he was always more American based but when he needed the ET he went back but then when they made changes to help him qualify for the RC he walked away and the he came again - but I think he will go again and good riddance. But that’s just my opinion on Casey - most people have a dislike of various golfers throughout the years , Casey is mine

 

[Golfmmad]

He lost his PGA Card - before that he played minimum to try and play RC but threw his toys out when he didn’t get picked for 2010 - when he lost his PGA tour card he then played on the ET but demanded changes to the RC qualification to allow people like him to play less events but still qualify to represent ET in the RC - they announced the changes but he decided not to be a member anymore. If it was a family decision why did he come back again ? I don’t believe him - he was always more American based but when he needed the ET he went back but then when they made changes to help him qualify for the RC he walked away and the he came again - but I think he will go again and good riddance. But that’s just my opinion on Casey - most people have a dislike of various golfers throughout the years , Casey is mine

As usual you've got it wrong about Casey. In 2010 he was badly injured in a skiing accident and because he hadn't played much after coming back from said injury he knew his points total wasn't enough to get a pick. I remember seeing both interviews on Sky Sports with him and Colin Montgomerie about the reasons why he didn't make the Ryder Cup Team. There was no animosity from either of them.
The Family decision was eight years ago, when his family were much more dependant on him.
How can you say "Good riddance" to a fellow golfer, what has he done to you, where is your empathy for a person?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As usual you've got it wrong about Casey. In 2010 he was badly injured in a skiing accident and because he hadn't played much after coming back from said injury he knew his points total wasn't enough to get a pick. I remember seeing both interviews on Sky Sports with him and Colin Montgomerie about the reasons why he didn't make the Ryder Cup Team. There was no animosity from either of them.
The Family decision was eight years ago, when his family were much more dependant on him.
How can you say "Good riddance" to a fellow golfer, what has he done to you, where is your empathy for a person?

Casey got injured snowboarding and it was in 2012

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/16448443

He did have a rib injury earlier in the year but Casey ended up being 7th in the World at the time of the RC picks for 2010

Justin Rose believes that 2010 was a reason for him quitting the tour

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/g...n-reason-Paul-Casey-s-European-tour-snub.html

And the “family” decision was 3 years ago and only lasted 2 years before he was back again

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Correct me if I am wrong but did Paul Casey not give up his ET membership until 2015, some 5 years after the "snub" from Monty.

As he and his wife had only just had a child his desire to restrict the amount of travelling seems reasonable and certainly a decision made for family reasons

But if some people want to continue hating carry on.Says more about the haters than it does about Casey.

 

[Imurg]

Casey "lost his job" in the US - where he lives.
He got a chance of another job in Europe(ish).
He has bills to pay so he takes it.
After a while he gets a chance of a job in the US - where he lives.
So he takes it.
What's the real problem?

There's very little loyalty to Tours from the top players.
They play where they want, when they want and plan their schedule accordingly and, basically, follow the money. Hence the trips to the Middle and Far East.
While it would be nice to have all the top players at Walton Heath it was never going to happen, just it didn't happen at Close House, Woburn or The Grove...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Correct me if I am wrong but did Paul Casey not give up his ET membership until 2015, some 5 years after the "snub" from Monty.

As he and his wife had only just had a child his desire to restrict the amount of travelling seems reasonable and certainly a decision made for family reasons

But if some people want to continue hating carry on.Says more about the haters than it does about Casey.

Blimey calling Justin Rose a “hater”

Christ why does everyone throw out the “hate” comment just because someone has a dislike for someone else -and then throw in “haters” - even funnier when it’s something you see grown elderly men use when it’s normally the domain of secondary school kids vocabulary

Interesting then that Casey rejoined the tour a couple months after his second child was born - I guess it all changed with the second child. And he had to play 3/4 events in Europe - that’s all , and it was changed after he was asking for it to be changed

But Christ it’s all going down a well trodden path - I don’t like Casey doesn’t mean I “hate” him and I’m sure I’m not the only person to have a dislike over a player - doesn’t mean I’m a hater and doesn’t mean it should dissected to the 9th degree.

 

[Golfmmad]

Casey got injured snowboarding and it was in 2012

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/16448443

He did have a rib injury earlier in the year but Casey ended up being 7th in the World at the time of the RC picks for 2010

Justin Rose believes that 2010 was a reason for him quitting the tour

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/g...n-reason-Paul-Casey-s-European-tour-snub.html

And the “family” decision was 3 years ago and only lasted 2 years before he was back again

You can put up as many links as you like but as far as I'm concerned there is no justification for your vitriol towards him.
One of the best British players over the last 10 years and still is. I'm so pleased he proved you wrong about him being picked for this years Ryder Cup.
Oh, I think you'll find his family decision was certainly more than 3 years ago.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Blimey calling Justin Rose a “hater”

Christ why does everyone throw out the “hate” comment just because someone has a dislike for someone else -and then throw in “haters” - even funnier when it’s something you see grown elderly men use when it’s normally the domain of secondary school kids vocabulary

Interesting then that Casey rejoined the tour a couple months after his second child was born - I guess it all changed with the second child. And he had to play 3/4 events in Europe - that’s all , and it was changed after he was asking for it to be changed

But Christ it’s all going down a well trodden path - I don’t like Casey doesn’t mean I “hate” him and I’m sure I’m not the only person to have a dislike over a player - doesn’t mean I’m a hater and doesn’t mean it should dissected to the 9th degree.

Who has called Justin Rose a "hater"?

The only person I could be levelling that charge at is yourself for your earlier puerile outburst.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Who has called Justin Rose a "hater"?

The only person I could be levelling that charge at is yourself for your earlier puerile outburst.

Well Rose was saying that Caseys snub in 2010 would have something to do with him leaving the tour as pointed out in the article ? And you appeared to start accusing people of being “haters” etc

And outburst ? Sorry not sure anyone has had an outburst ?

Has it got to the stage now where people aren’t allowed to have a dislike of someone and when they do people like you point fingers and attach labels to them ? Bit immature really isn’t it ?

Can you let me know who I’m allowed to like or dislike

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can put up as many links as you like but as far as I'm concerned there is no justification for your vitriol towards him.
One of the best British players over the last 10 years and still is. I'm so pleased he proved you wrong about him being picked for this years Ryder Cup.
Oh, I think you'll find his family decision was certainly more than 3 years ago.

Umm hate to break it to you but people can like or dislike anyone they wish

One of the best British players over ever the last decade ? Well that’s debatable but depends on the pool you taking -but potentially at one point he looked like he was going to win big then faded away

And 2015 was the year he stopped his ET membership and he restarted it again this year

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Well Rose was saying that Caseys snub in 2010 would have something to do with him leaving the tour as pointed out in the article ? And you appeared to start accusing people of being “haters” etc

And outburst ? Sorry not sure anyone has had an outburst ?

Has it got to the stage now where people aren’t allowed to have a dislike of someone and when they do people like you point fingers and attach labels to them ? Bit immature really isn’t it ?

Can you let me know who I’m allowed to like or dislike

Being accused by you of being immature is the ultimate irony.

Your almost total reliance upon Google is exactly what I might expect from an obsessive 14 year old.

None of my previous remark made any reference to Rose's remarks which, in any event, were not relevant to the point under discussion.

You state that no matter what he may do in the future you will not change your opinion of Casey. That is irrational and indicative of something more than just dislike.