Bring back the old 3/4 difference in handicaps!

[Old Skier]

Re the bold bits....Did they? Have you got a link to those stats? Or at least to a reference that that's what they did? I'm not sure where they would have obtained those stats! I'd be more inclined that they used the results of other countries experience (to 100%) but weren't prepared to go immediately to that! Happy to be corrected however!

I agree with the rest of your post (...-ed) btw!

Since over 3 years ago CONGU received information via the CDH database. They ran various models for the last couple of years that many who attended a number of seminars ran by EG know about. Their recommendations were going to be that we fall in line with the majority of other world governing bodies and go to full handicap allowance but backed down to 90% after pressure from some of the more traditional clubs.

Well that's the story being fed to some of us that were attending these things but we will never know what really happened.

 

[Fish]

Typical high handicappers winging, as always they want everything their own way, well get over it, it's scratch so suck it up or don't play, simples.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Since over 3 years ago CONGU received information via the CDH database. They ran various models for the last couple of years that many who attended a number of seminars ran by EG know about. Their recommendations were going to be that we fall in line with the majority of other world governing bodies and go to full handicap allowance but backed down to 90% after pressure from some of the more traditional clubs.

Well that's the story being fed to some of us that were attending these things but we will never know what really happened.

None of the information from CDH scores has relevance to matchplay or 4BBB - I asked them how they use stats from single strokeplay events to make a judgement on both matchplay and 4BBB and they said they would get back to me - they didn't.

I have no doubt they just picked the number as an in between 100% which most national unions have as the standard and 3/4 and it won't be long until it is 100% of the difference.

 

[Bigfoot]

In our winter roll up on Tuesdays we cut handicaps of the top 3 or 4 each week dependant on numbers entering.
I have been cut from 14 to 12 and one of my playing partners today had been cut from 10 to 9. He won with 43 points and I was second with 38. He will play off 7 next week and I will be off 11.

 

[Fish]

it won't be long until it is 100% of the difference.

Bring it on...:whoo:

 

[Old Skier]

Bring it on...:whoo:

I reckon it will be another 3 years yet as that's the normal cycle

 

[Fish]

I reckon it will be another 3 years yet as that's the normal cycle

Plenty of time for us all to get back up to Cat 4 then so we can stuff these whingeing single handicappers :smirk:

 

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Plenty of time for us all to get back up to Cat 4 then so we can stuff these whingeing single handicappers :smirk: View attachment 21440

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[dewsweeper]

I am sure a lot of these comments from golfers playing the same marvellous game are tongue in cheek!
If not, I do not think you can enjoy golf as much as we all should.

 

[Region3]

I have no doubt they just picked the number as an in between 100% which most national unions have as the standard and 3/4 and it won't be long until it is 100% of the difference.

Not doubting you but just want to make sure I'm reading it right.

Do they really use full handicap in other countries for 4BBB?

 

[Imurg]

my friend who plays off scratch picked his ball up from the middle of the fairway after his opponent hit his second within an inch. when the lad said "why are you picking up' my friend said " you have 2 shots on this hole. i needed a hole in one to half the hole"

Similar scenario in a singles knockout 20 years ago..
Playing a 28'er ( I was off 8). He had a shot on a 150 yard par 3. He stuck it to 6 inches.
Needed a hole in one for the half.
Went off Matchplay after that. Even though SI's shouldn't be allocated solely on difficulty, a lot are.
Always giving shots on difficult holes isn't easy
Our 4th SI 1 is 450 yd par 4
To win the hole, barring bad shots into the rough, I need to par.
It's a straight forward bogey and an easy double. So Fragger could take 6 and I need a par to win...
It's not an easy par....
Don't like Matchplay

 

[MadAdey]

I do not have a problem with them making singles matchplay into full handicap, as I did think that 3/4 did favour the low handicapper.

But in BB matchplay I still think it is ridiculous to even be at 90%. Any normal 18 handicapper does not have 18 bogeys a round, he is normally a reasonably competent golfer that has a few blow up holes. But put him in a BB situation with another 18 handicapper and all of a sudden his blow up holes do not matter because his partner has him covered. Problem with a pair of scratch golfers playing against them is they do not tend to have blow up holes so pretty much do not need their partner to help them out with pars.

It's not too difficult for a pair of average 18 handicappers playing their normal game to be able to have a +10 gross score, so with 90% handicap that is a -6 nett. The scratch golfers playing their normal game will probably be around -4/. So basically they are up against it and have to manage 7 birdies and 11 pars to win. Meaning the chance of them winning is slim to none.

 

[Beezerk]

I do not have a problem with them making singles matchplay into full handicap, as I did think that 3/4 did favour the low handicapper.

But in BB matchplay I still think it is ridiculous to even be at 90%. Any normal 18 handicapper does not have 18 bogeys a round, he is normally a reasonably competent golfer that has a few blow up holes. But put him in a BB situation with another 18 handicapper and all of a sudden his blow up holes do not matter because his partner has him covered. Problem with a pair of scratch golfers playing against them is they do not tend to have blow up holes so pretty much do not need their partner to help them out with pars.

It's not too difficult for a pair of average 18 handicappers playing their normal game to be able to have a +10 gross score, so with 90% handicap that is a -6 nett. The scratch golfers playing their normal game will probably be around -4/. So basically they are up against it and have to manage 7 birdies and 11 pars to win. Meaning the chance of them winning is slim to none.

At the same time though, two 18 handicappers are more likely to have blow up holes at the same time. One bad drive, which will be quite often, puts a lot of pressure on the other to perform.

 

[chimpo1]

Just to clarify a few points...
I am not whinging about the high handicap golfers at my club. I lose, I shake hands and congratulate my opponent. I began the thread by saying that I would like a competitive match and I didn't feel that 90% allows that, whereas 75% did.

Boy did that escalate quickly...

 

[MadAdey]

At the same time though, two 18 handicappers are more likely to have blow up holes at the same time. One bad drive, which will be quite often, puts a lot of pressure on the other to perform.

The format does help in the opposite way to what you said. When one of them is on the green with a 10 footer for birdie so garaunteed par, the 20 yard pitch shot the other one has is now like a practice shot as there is no pressure on it. So he sticks it pretty close and then taps in the par. So his buddy who would normally be thinking about a 2 stab par, will actually have the confidence to go for the birdie.

The coin flips both ways when it comes to a lot of players around the 18 mark. They normally have the skills to shoot a good score, but lack a bit of consistency or confidence to do it regularly. Better ball takes those problems away.

 

[Beezerk]

The format does help in the opposite way to what you said. When one of them is on the green with a 10 footer for birdie so garaunteed par, the 20 yard pitch shot the other one has is now like a practice shot as there is no pressure on it. So he sticks it pretty close and then taps in the par. So his buddy who would normally be thinking about a 2 stab par, will actually have the confidence to go for the birdie.

The coin flips both ways when it comes to a lot of players around the 18 mark. They normally have the skills to shoot a good score, but lack a bit of consistency or confidence to do it regularly. Better ball takes those problems away.

18 handicappers at your place must be better than the ones at ours. 20 yard pitch is duffed into fringe and his pp 3 putts for a bogey 😀
Essentially though, high handicappers don't make the rules, but we all have to accept and play by them.

 

[MadAdey]

We sure have to.

I remember one of the 16 handicappers at Spalding. Great golfer but one bad hole and he'd loose his head, stopping him from ever getting a good medal card in. What a BB partner though, always got to the later stages of doubles knock out and was always up the top of the leaderboard in other BB comps. Very popular partner with the scratch players.