Brexit Two Months On

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Foxholer said:
Er...Can you kindly explain why it would be a specific problem for NHS?
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Er... I'll dodge the bullet on that.... If interested, you'll find plenty on t'internet supporting my view far more eloquently written than I can manage... If you support the other view I am sure you'll find plenty of guff out there also... You might even find something yourself and bestie mate can agree on... Wouldn't be surprised he feels the opposite to myself....
 
Health tourism costs the NHS £2 billion. £1.5 billion is for EU citizens, and is reciprocated, £500 mill is non-EU, of which £350 mill is recovered. It's a non-story and not worth arguing over.
 
delc said:
Because the big American Healthcare Corporations could sue the UK Government for restricting their profits by providing 'free' healthcare, even though we pay for it through taxation.
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They would lose that argument! That's what has been happening for the last 70 years, so they knew that was what was happening when they entered the market!

MegaSteve said:
Er... I'll dodge the bullet on that.... If interested, you'll find plenty on t'internet supporting my view far more eloquently written than I can manage... If you support the other view I am sure you'll find plenty of guff out there also... You might even find something yourself and bestie mate can agree on... Wouldn't be surprised he feels the opposite to myself....
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Indeed, I know there's an obscene issue with TTIP wrt 'legislation that restricts profits'! That's why I have always been anti the present form of TTIP!

However, my query was why it was specifically a problem for the NHS. And that has doesn't seem to have been answered. And yes, I know that many of the drug companies are US based, so are the ones that could/would be affected.

I'd like to see an amended form of ISDS (the dispute process that is the issue) used, so that Government policy is unable to be restricted provide 'proper warning' is given. On the other hand, the likes of drug companies have to be confident that the huge costs of R&D can be recovered - and a reasonable profit made!
 
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Hacker Khan said:
Still , I'm sure there are well thought out costed plans to overcome this once we regain our sovereignty and are no longer ruled by faceless bureaucrats from Brussels, and not just vague pie in the sky unworkable statements.
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With £350,000,000 a week extra, I am sure the NHS will be awesome. It will be aspirational to be sick.
 
Foxholer said:
They would lose that argument! That's what has been happening for the last 70 years, so they knew that was what was happening when they entered the market!



Indeed, I know there's an obscene issue with TTIP wrt 'legislation that restricts profits'! That's why I have always been anti the present form of TTIP!

However, my query was why it was specifically a problem for the NHS. And that has doesn't seem to have been answered. And yes, I know that many of the drug companies are US based, so are the ones that could/would be affected.

I'd like to see an amended form of ISDS (the dispute process that is the issue) used, so that Government policy is unable to be restricted provide 'proper warning' is given. On the other hand, the likes of drug companies have to be confident that the huge costs of R&D can be recovered - and a reasonable profit made!
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The talks are being held behind closed doors which usually spells troubles ahead... Heard it said the US team make Donald appear to be a decent sort... Also heard, it said, davecam [and cronies] favoured remain as it would have given them their desired privatisation of the NHS and been able to lay the blame with the 'faceless ones' [in Brussels]...

Not intending to get in a bun fight over this... As I said earlier, plenty on the t'internet... Up to each individual what they wish to believe...
 
MegaSteve said:
The talks are being held behind closed doors which usually spells troubles ahead... Heard it said the US team make Donald appear to be a decent sort... Also heard, it said, davecam [and cronies] favoured remain as it would have given them their desired privatisation of the NHS and been able to lay the blame with the 'faceless ones' [in Brussels]...

Not intending to get in a bun fight over this... As I said earlier, plenty on the t'internet... Up to each individual what they wish to believe...
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My major objection to 'secret talks' is that they breed rumours of what might be being discussed/agreed at a similar, or greater, rate to conspiracy theories!

And, unlike conspiracy theories, they can be used to manufacture an entire argument to promote a particular cause. Conspiracy theories actually require more 'facts', even if possibly unrelated, before drawing a conclusion!

There are often considerable justification - normally ones relating to 'competition' for conducting trade talks behind closed doors!
 
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MegaSteve said:
The talks are being held behind closed doors which usually spells troubles ahead... Heard it said the US team make Donald appear to be a decent sort... Also heard, it said, davecam [and cronies] favoured remain as it would have given them their desired privatisation of the NHS and been able to lay the blame with the 'faceless ones' [in Brussels]...

Not intending to get in a bun fight over this... As I said earlier, plenty on the t'internet... Up to each individual what they wish to believe...
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One problem with that theory is that leaving the rhetoric of the Left to one side Cameron never had any wish to privatise the NHS.

Allowing some services to be provided by the Private Sector is in no way similar to privatisation provided the service remains free at source to its users.
 
Foxholer said:
That was a 'slogan for the gullible'!
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It was the only concrete thing that those inclined on the Leave side had to hang their hat on. After all - why didn't the Leave campaign put out a 'manifesto' - pretty obvious - despite their claims of poverty it was simply that they couldn't agree on one - there being so many different and conflicting aspirations for Leave. They knew that it would certainly be a case of 'publish and be damned'. And so it is today - nobody has a clue - and all we get is Breakfast will be Breakfast; and he UK has voted to leave the EU so all you remoaners can shut up.

Well maybe we will be quiet for a while once the objectives for Brexit are published and we have time to mull over them. Meanwhile we are stuck with Leavers rejecting the £350m idea as a misinterpretation - except for Farage who now acknowledges it was a bit of a mistake (hahahaha - alomst funny that) to present it as they did - and Leave should have been clearer in correcting misconceptions being formed about it. Oh Nigel - you are a hoot, a bit of a mistake. Honest to God.
 
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