Brexit Two Months On

[delc]

A Brexit removes my rights as an EU citizen, which include freedom of movement, working time directive, health and safety, etc, etc, which I value. It seems to me that the UK has become more prosperous since we joined the EU, and we have done well from keeping the Pound and staying out of the Schengen Agreement, which gives us control of our borders. The only issue is that we haven't policed border control as well as we should have done. Many of our immigrants are from outside the EU.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A Brexit removes my rights as an EU citizen, which include freedom of movement, working time directive, health and safety, etc, etc, which I value. It seems to me that the UK has become more prosperous since we joined the EU, and we have done well from keeping the Pound and staying out of the Schengen Agreement, which gives us control of our borders. The only issue is that we haven't policed border control as well as we should have done. Many of our immigrants are from outside the EU.

Working time directive ? Aren't you retired ?

You are free to move on holiday anywhere

Why would Health and Safety laws change ?

Haven't you many times complained about immigration being a problem where you live causing you to have issues when driving ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It matters quite a lot in my opinion! Should we let the UK go down to tubes just to keep a load of racists, bigots and xenophobes happy? I realise that not all Leave voters are like this, but a significant number of them are.

Can I ask where (economically) the UK has gone down the tubes?

Certainly sterling has fallen but many experts are now predicting a gentle but steady upturn. Not too far I hope as it was previously at a level too high for our economic good.

The other indicators are even more positive.

I speak as one who was active and vociferous in the Remain campaign but also someone who, unlike yourself apparently, is mature enough to accept the outcome of the referendum and move on.

Perhaps it is now time for you to do the same.

 

[delc]

Can I ask where (economically) the UK has gone down the tubes?

Certainly sterling has fallen but many experts are now predicting a gentle but steady upturn. Not too far I hope as it was previously at a level too high for our economic good.

The other indicators are even more positive.

I speak as one who was active and vociferous in the Remain campaign but also someone who, unlike yourself apparently, is mature enough to accept the outcome of the referendum and move on.

Perhaps it is now time for you to do the same.

Brexit has turned the UK into a nasty xenophobic country, even if you take out the economic factors! Foreigners working here are being made to feel unwelcome, however necessary their skills are. I am now ashamed of being British, so will continue to campaign against Brexit, if only for that reason.

 

[delc]

No it hasn't.

But you can believe the Guardian and BBC if you like

Much more so than the Mail, Express and Sun!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Brexit has turned the UK into a nasty xenophobic country, even if you take out the economic factors! Foreigners working here are being made to feel unwelcome, however necessary their skills are. I am now ashamed of being British, so will continue to campaign against Brexit, if only for that reason.

Have you experienced or even witnessed this xenophobia, have you met any of these foreigners that are now being made to feel unwelcome?

Or is it anecdotal and hearsay?

Obviously there are some very unpleasant people out there shouting racist abuse and, worse still, committing physical attacks but these existed both here and throughout the EU long before the referendum.

Unlike yourself I draw no distinction between EU & non-EU immigrants. All should be treated with compassion, justice and never should be told they are not welcome. However, nationalism exists throughout the world and is not a by-product of Brexit.

As for campaigning against Brexit, feel free Canute!

 

[IanM]

And I say that as one with Polish Grandparents on one side and Lithuanian grandfather on other.

...and I prefer elected political leaders to appointed ones too!

 

[delc]

Have you experienced or even witnessed this xenophobia, have you met any of these foreigners that are now being made to feel unwelcome?

Or is it anecdotal and hearsay?

Obviously there are some very unpleasant people out there shouting racist abuse and, worse still, committing physical attacks but these existed both here and throughout the EU long before the referendum.

Unlike yourself I draw no distinction between EU & non-EU immigrants. All should be treated with compassion, justice and never should be told they are not welcome. However, nationalism exists throughout the world and is not a by-product of Brexit.

As for campaigning against Brexit, feel free Canute!

Did you watch Question Time from Hartlepool?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Did you watch Question Time from Hartlepool?

For God's sake when has a QT audience ever been representative of the nation as a whole and, in any event, much of the reaction to the Polish woman was at her suggestion that she was no longer welcome rather than due to her nationality.

 

[delc]

For God's sake when has a QT audience ever been representative of the nation as a whole and, in any event, much of the reaction to the Polish woman was at her suggestion that she was no longer welcome rather than due to her nationality.

Not the impression I got! Also this:
https://www.ft.com/content/84a8b21e-9c32-11e6-8324-be63473ce146

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Brexit has turned the UK into a nasty xenophobic country, even if you take out the economic factors! Foreigners working here are being made to feel unwelcome, however necessary their skills are. I am now ashamed of being British, so will continue to campaign against Brexit, if only for that reason.

Really? We are still regularly employing nurses from Spain, Ireland and Portugal, healthcare assistants and cleaners from Poland and Bulgaria amongst others and have just taken on radiographers from Sweden, Italy and France. They clearly don't feel put off by Brexit or that Reading is a dangerous and xenophobic place to live and work. Pure rubbish

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not the impression I got! Also this:
https://www.ft.com/content/84a8b21e-9c32-11e6-8324-be63473ce146

Strange link to post as by far the largest numbers have no plans to leave (43%) or have not yet made any decision (38%).

In any event many of those who have come to this country from elsewhere within the EU have always intended that their stay should be neither permanent nor long-term.

I continue to struggle to understand where you are coming from in view of your infamous previous disparaging remarks about immigrants and their effect upon your journey time to your Club. Or is your fire only aimed at those from outside the EU?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Really? We are still regularly employing nurses from Spain, Ireland and Portugal, healthcare assistants and cleaners from Poland and Bulgaria amongst others and have just taken on radiographers from Sweden, Italy and France. They clearly don't feel put off by Brexit or that Reading is a dangerous and xenophobic place to live and work. Pure rubbish

Careful Homer you are basing your argument upon actual experience and we all know that is no substitute for assumption.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Careful Homer you are basing your argument upon actual experience and we all know that is no substitute for assumption.

Very true, or the use of the internet to support whatever point you wish to make. How silly of me to use actual evidence

 

[delc]

Strange link to post as by far the largest numbers have no plans to leave (43%) or have not yet made any decision (38%).

In any event many of those who have come to this country from elsewhere within the EU have always intended that their stay should be neither permanent nor long-term.

I continue to struggle to understand where you are coming from in view of your infamous previous disparaging remarks about immigrants and their effect upon your journey time to your Club. Or is your fire only aimed at those from outside the EU?

I was more concerned about the strain on our resources, rather than the immigrants themselves. It often really does take 45 minutes to do the 3 miles to my golf club if it is anywhere near the rush hour, and a lot of this traffic seems to be associated with the school run. It was half term this week and there was hardly any traffic at all.

 

[Tashyboy]

Did you watch Question Time from Hartlepool?

Delc I watched that clip on the BBC site and when she mentioned that because the UK voted to leave she no longer felt wanted, my initial thoughts were she would be ideal on this forum. Not listening to what people have said and listening to what they want to hear.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I was more concerned about the strain on our resources, rather than the immigrants themselves. It often really does take 45 minutes to do the 3 miles to my golf club if it is anywhere near the rush hour, and a lot of this traffic seems to be associated with the school run. It was half term this week and there was hardly any traffic at all.

So how have we gone from xenophobia to moaning about the traffic on the school run. What does that have to do with Brexit. It's all about mummy pandering to little Johnny and not walking them to school when it's easier to jump into a huge 4x4 and drive two minutes up the road. I fail to see the connection?

 

[delc]

So how have we gone from xenophobia to moaning about the traffic on the school run. What does that have to do with Brexit. It's all about mummy pandering to little Johnny and not walking them to school when it's easier to jump into a huge 4x4 and drive two minutes up the road. I fail to see the connection?

I think around here many children go to schools that are more than a few minutes walk from home. This is down to a shortage of school places and parental choice.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I was more concerned about the strain on our resources, rather than the immigrants themselves. It often really does take 45 minutes to do the 3 miles to my golf club if it is anywhere near the rush hour, and a lot of this traffic seems to be associated with the school run. It was half term this week and there was hardly any traffic at all.

At risk of bringing personal experience and fact (and potentially common sense) into the debate so soon again, I'd point out to delc that we wouldn't have some of these resources without the immigrants who keep them going. I had life saving heart surgery earlier this year delc; the vast majority of those in theatre at the time, and involved in my aftercare, were immigrants, and I am extremely grateful to them for the treatment and care I received, which was beyond reproach.

To be honest, amongst the English unemployed, or unemployable in a large number of cases, that I have met, both personally but largely professionally, I can't think of too many that were of sufficient calibre to have replaced the immigrants that saved me. So before you run them all down as a drain on our society, consider what the state of some of our resources would be like without the valuable contribution they make.

I have no desire to see all immigrants banned, just a desire to be able to welcome those who will make a valuable contribution to our society and politely decline admission to those who will not make a contribution or who seek to undermine it.

 

[SocketRocket]

Why waste any more time on Delc's comments. They are inconsistent and unintelligent, best to let him exist in his own little confused world. At least DFT is a Troll and is trying to wind people up.