Brexit Two Months On

[vkurup]

Suppose we leave the EU and the UK Economy goes completely down the tubes as a result. We could re-apply for membership, but we probably wouldn't then meet the financial requirements, and any of the remaining 27 EU Countries could veto our application (They still have some Sovereignty). Leaving the EU is a huge risk, and I want the Brexit supporters to appreciate this.

In the opposite scenario... suppose we thrive (or even have flat line growth) and EU collapses, then who would be laughing/smiling/feeling smug?? There is plenty of stress in the EU -> Italian Banks, Deutsche Bank, French and German election, Southern EU economies, unemployment, far right issues..

 

[SocketRocket]

What do you expect me to say. 100%? Because that is perhaps the uncomfortable truth. I would suggest that the vast majority of Leave voters feel resentful of immigrants or the number of immigrants to one degree or another, that is why they want 'to regain control' and 'control immigration'. You are being completely disingenuous to pretend that that is not the case - I have no idea why you are trying.

How exactly are you supposed to know the car in front has an immigrant driving it if it doesn't have a foreign number plate.

Actually I would not have expected you to make the comment at all as it is a big generalisation and an extreme view. Wanting to control immigration is not 'resenting immigrants' and if you cant understand that then you are the one being disingenuous!

 

[delc]

Immigration control doesn't and never did mean throwing people out of the country. You know that as well as I and I am surprised that someone with your morals would stoop to suggest otherwise.

Our Parliament (or at least the Conservative majority in it) have just voted out a bill to guarantee the rights of existing EU citizens who are resident in the UK.

 

[SocketRocket]

Our Parliament (or at least the Conservative majority in it) have just voted out a bill to guarantee the rights of existing EU citizens who are resident in the UK.

And that means they are throwing them all out does it?

 

[Hacker Khan]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...itain-in-late-night-poker-game-20161021115778

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...itain-in-late-night-poker-game-20161021115778

Clearly not going well for the PM in the Summit.
A bit of humility seems to be absent.

In my little world you don't deliberately pick a fight with someone you hope to do a mutually agreeable deal with.

 

[Hobbit]

Our Parliament (or at least the Conservative majority in it) have just voted out a bill to guarantee the rights of existing EU citizens who are resident in the UK.

Seems fair. Now the negotiating teams from both sides can decide how they want this to play out. If the vote had gone the other way the EU citizens living here would have had the guarantee before anything had been agreed for UK citizens living in the EU.

 

[Hobbit]

Clearly not going well for the PM in the Summit.
A bit of humility seems to be absent.

In my little world you don't deliberately pick a fight with someone you hope to do a mutually agreeable deal with.

Or you can tell them to stop walking all over us. There's been two meetings of the EU leaders in the last 4 months about non-Brexit issues that the UK hasn't been invited to. We're still members of the EU with a vested interest in what is passed before we leave. The EU are behaving as though we've already left. Sorry, but if anyone is at fault its the EU.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Or you can tell them to stop walking all over us. There's been two meetings of the EU leaders in the last 4 months about non-Brexit issues that the UK hasn't been invited to. We're still members of the EU with a vested interest in what is passed before we leave. The EU are behaving as though we've already left. Sorry, but if anyone is at fault its the EU.

If, as some are suggesting, we end up not leaving, how valid will any decisions made in those meetings be if an existing member state was actively excluded.

Anyone else seeing an attitude in that which suggests we might be better off out of it? Certainly makes a mockery of the suggestion here that we are better off having a seat at the table if we aren't actually invited to dinner.

 

[SocketRocket]

Or you can tell them to stop walking all over us. There's been two meetings of the EU leaders in the last 4 months about non-Brexit issues that the UK hasn't been invited to. We're still members of the EU with a vested interest in what is passed before we leave. The EU are behaving as though we've already left. Sorry, but if anyone is at fault its the EU.

Good points.
also, we are still paying our Eu membership fees and could probably put a claim to the Ecg that we wish to be compensated for being excluded from council.

 

[delc]

It's the same thing as far as I am concerned! Our country is admittedly getting a bit overcrowded, particularly in the South-East, but maybe a better Regional policy would solve this. Certainly resources have not kept up with increasing demand down here and often foreign labour is required to plug the gaps. We joined an organisation of friendly countries where free trade and free movement of people are fundamental and that is no bad thing. The Brexiter's only argument seems to be that they won the vote and we are leaving the EU come what may, however much damage that may do to our Economy, Security, our standing in the World and so on. I suspect that if we held another referendum now the Remain side would win. That is probably why they don't want any Parliamentary scrutiny of the Brexit process.

Precisely how far down the tubes would the British economy have to go before it got worse than the Greek economy, which apparently does qualify for membership? You really do post some utter tosh.

Greece probably shouldn't have been allowed to join the EU until it sorted out its finances IMHO.

 

[Hobbit]

Greece probably shouldn't have been allowed to join the EU until it sorted out its finances IMHO.

All 10 that joined in May 2004 shouldn't have been let in. I wonder how many countries in the EU would accept them now? And if they hadn't been let in there wouldn't have been calls for the referendum.

 

[harpo_72]

Or you can tell them to stop walking all over us. There's been two meetings of the EU leaders in the last 4 months about non-Brexit issues that the UK hasn't been invited to. We're still members of the EU with a vested interest in what is passed before we leave. The EU are behaving as though we've already left. Sorry, but if anyone is at fault its the EU.

If the meetings were about present state and 2 years going forward, your completely right, the EU are out of order.
However if it was a mop up session about how they are going to go forward with the negotiations then it's a closed doors meeting. They could be looking at their strategy. There are single members who have something we want and we have something they want ... others are not in such a position, meaning internally there are some impacts that need considering.

 

[Foxholer]

Greece probably shouldn't have been allowed to join the EU until it sorted out its finances IMHO.

All 10 that joined in May 2004 shouldn't have been let in. I wonder how many countries in the EU would accept them now? And if they hadn't been let in there wouldn't have been calls for the referendum.

Er....Greece joined in 1981!!!

Del. Can you actually remember back that far?

And the UK's economy wasn't in a particularly great shape when it joined - in 1974. That - the likely improvement in/to the economy - was actually part of the justification for joining!

 

[Pants]

......... about how they are going to go forward with the negotiations then it's a closed doors meeting. They could be looking at their strategy.

SiLH will be along in a moment demanding that we tell him (her???) every detail of their plans ...... :mmm:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

SiLH will be along in a moment demanding that we tell him (her???) every detail of their plans ...... :mmm:

Given the fuss and noise the SNP are making over Brexit would it not be reasonable and sensible for the government to give a target date for having a draft negotiation stance ready for review by Sturgeon and Russell. That would at least shut the SNP up - something that many south of the border want to see happen.

 

[chrisd]

Given the fuss and noise the SNP are making over Brexit would it not be reasonable and sensible for the government to give a target date for having a draft negotiation stance ready for review by Sturgeon and Russell. That would at least shut the SNP up - something that many south of the border want to see happen.

NOTHING would shut Sturgeon up !

 

[Doon frae Troon]

NOTHING would shut Sturgeon up !

I know, isn't she marvelous.

Taking 'Nippie Sweetie' to a whole new level.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I know, isn't she marvelous.

Taking 'Nippie Sweetie' to a whole new level.

Well that's certainly one description of her. If I typed my preferred description if the profanity filter didn't get me then the mods certainly would.

I heard on the radio this morning that the PM is hosting a meeting tomorrow with the leaders of the devolved parliaments to discuss Brexit strategy. Hopefully that will shut up the SNP and some posters on here who claim that they aren't being involved in Brexit.

 

[delc]

Well that's certainly one description of her. If I typed my preferred description if the profanity filter didn't get me then the mods certainly would.

I heard on the radio this morning that the PM is hosting a meeting tomorrow with the leaders of the devolved parliaments to discuss Brexit strategy. Hopefully that will shut up the SNP and some posters on here who claim that they aren't being involved in Brexit.

As she (Nicola Sturgeon) is opposed to Brexit, she is now my heroine! :thup: