Brexit Two Months On

[Doon frae Troon]

Trolling trouble maker.

But a 42% increase in hate crime in England and Wales since Brexit is difficult to explain away.
Care to try this time instead of using your favoured deflection mode.

 

[Hobbit]

Any form of media is now unbalanced, the Press/BBC seem to think that they can print say any old tosh/lies and get away with it.

The Sun using a picture of an interpreter as a 'child' is just one of many.
A recent anti Scottish Independence Spectator piece has been stripped down to contain around 40 lies within 1800 words.

Does this mean you will heed your own perception and stop posting links from the obviously biased Wings Over Scotland? Or will the soft trolling continue...?

 

[ColchesterFC]

But a 42% increase in hate crime in England and Wales since Brexit is difficult to explain away.
Care to try this time instead of using your favoured deflection mode.

It's not actually a 42% rise in hate crime though is it. Another use of statistics to prove the point you want to make rather than the actual correct use of the statistic. It's a 42% increase in REPORTED hate crime since the referendum. Not sure if you are aware but Brexit hasn't happened yet. With all the additional publicity people are now far more likely to report these events rather than just walk away.

I'm not excusing the behaviour of the imbeciles committing these offences and its a shame that the country had to vote to leave the EU for people to start reporting them. But for you to try and claim that hate crime has gone up by 42% is laughable.

 

[delc]

What a completely stupid statement. You are as guilty as the people you accuse. 52% of voters in the referendum voted on an anti-immigrant policy! what an outrageous statement. You seem incapable of differentiating between people who want to control immigration and anti-immigrant. Idiot!

It's the same thing as far as I am concerned! Our country is admittedly getting a bit overcrowded, particularly in the South-East, but maybe a better Regional policy would solve this. Certainly resources have not kept up with increasing demand down here and often foreign labour is required to plug the gaps. We joined an organisation of friendly countries where free trade and free movement of people are fundamental and that is no bad thing. The Brexiter's only argument seems to be that they won the vote and we are leaving the EU come what may, however much damage that may do to our Economy, Security, our standing in the World and so on. I suspect that if we held another referendum now the Remain side would win. That is probably why they don't want any Parliamentary scrutiny of the Brexit process.

 

[Dellboy]

I had heard discussion of that - and my understanding of why they think this is possible is because there is nothing in Art50 to say that triggering it is a fait accomplis - and that the triggering can't be withdrawn. Because no-one ever thought that a country would ever trigger it.

The EU have already stated that under there rules and law, once it has been triggered it can not be withdrawn, unless all of the remaining 27 counties are in full agreement of which ( if I remember rightly on Radio 4 ) 6 countries have said no.

 

[Hobbit]

It's the same thing as far as I am concerned! Our country is admittedly getting a bit overcrowded, particularly in the South-East, but maybe a better Regional policy would solve this. Certainly resources have not kept up with increasing demand down here and often foreign labour is required to plug the gaps. We joined an organisation of friendly countries where free trade and free movement of people are fundamental and that is no bad thing. The Brexiter's only argument seems to be that they won the vote and we are leaving the EU come what may, however much damage that may do to our Economy, Security, our standing in the World and so on. I suspect that if we held another referendum now the Remain side would win. That is probably why they don't want any Parliamentary scrutiny of the Brexit process.

Please see post #635, and if I responded to this one I'd get a ban. You really are a weazely little man

 

[delc]

The EU have already stated that under there rules and law, once it has been triggered it can not be withdrawn, unless all of the remaining 27 counties are in full agreement of which ( if I remember rightly on Radio 4 ) 6 countries have said no.

Suppose we leave the EU and the UK Economy goes completely down the tubes as a result. We could re-apply for membership, but we probably wouldn't then meet the financial requirements, and any of the remaining 27 EU Countries could veto our application (They still have some Sovereignty). Leaving the EU is a huge risk, and I want the Brexit supporters to appreciate this.

 

[delc]

Please see post #635, and if I responded to this one I'd get a ban. You really are a weazely little man

Typical Brexiter. You can only come up with insults rather than coherent arguments!

 

[Hobbit]

Typical Brexiter. You can only come up with insults rather than coherent arguments!

Apart from I voted Remain, and would vote Remain again. Please try harder

 

[delc]

Apart from I voted Remain, and would vote Remain again. Please try harder

In that case I will let you off! But why were you making the arguments that you where?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Gentlemen

Perlease !!!

 

[Hobbit]

In that case I will let you off! But why were you making the arguments that you where?

Because I see two cats either side of a fence spitting at each other. Where's the engagement?

And sorry Delc, but I just saw a Remain version of the empty headed Brexiteer you spoke of. There's validity in everyone's argument, from their perspective, but to a large extent no one is willing to give either side any respect.

 

[Dellboy]

Suppose we leave the EU and the UK Economy goes completely down the tubes as a result. We could re-apply for membership, but we probably wouldn't then meet the financial requirements, and any of the remaining 27 EU Countries could veto our application (They still have some Sovereignty). Leaving the EU is a huge risk, and I want the Brexit supporters to appreciate this.

I think the EU will collapse before too long, so the sooner we leave the better, should invoke 50 now and be done with it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Correct. Blair opened the doors. He had his reasons I suppose. Immigration is far less of an issue than sovereignty and ridding ourselves from the unelected commissioners and their flunkies

BBC News at 6 was interesting...........going on about how exposed we are at the EU Summit and how tough it will be. Completely slanted report as ever.

..I guess the French and Germans don't need us to buy their stuff! The Eastern Europeans are panicking about the subsidies they were promised for joining.

Trade is still trade.... my organisation is making big strides outside EU now it can.... not reported on BBC though

Did you watch and listen yesterday as all the EU leaders arrived and as they did they spoke about Brexit? Given what they said I think the BBC got it bang on.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What Queues?

The queues that so many who voted to Leave complain about when they are behind immigrants.

 

[SocketRocket]

The queues that so many who voted to Leave complain about when they are behind immigrants.

'So Many', I considered you more intelligent than making such a remark.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Again another bout of gross exaggeration from you and others on here. The Polish Woman on QT made some outlandish comments and the people booing her were disagreeing that 52% of voters wanted her to leave the UK that was a stupid comment from her. She said “I feel I’m no longer wanted by 52 per cent of the voters.” She then said “Fifty-two per cent of the voters voted against immigration. Polish is the second most popular language in this country.” If you think that was a reasonable comment from her and consider her comments as discrimination against her then you are guilty of what you accuse others of.

She was quite clear that she felt that 52% of those who voted did not want her in the UK. That may not be true - though I suspect that the EVERY Leave voter had immigration control as one of the factors they based their vote. It may not have been everyone's #1 - but I bet it was there. Besides - who are you or any of us to question how she says she feels. Did the many who boo'd her not have immigration control as a factor for their vote. Of course they did - they just didn't like hearing the impact on a real person of their view.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

'So Many', I considered you more intelligent than making such a remark.

What do you expect me to say. 100%? Because that is perhaps the uncomfortable truth. I would suggest that the vast majority of Leave voters feel resentful of immigrants or the number of immigrants to one degree or another, that is why they want 'to regain control' and 'control immigration'. You are being completely disingenuous to pretend that that is not the case - I have no idea why you are trying.

 

[SocketRocket]

She was quite clear that she felt that 52% of those who voted did not want her in the UK. That may not be true - though I suspect that the EVERY Leave voter had immigration control as one of the factors they based their vote. It may not have been everyone's #1 - but I bet it was there. Besides - who are you or any of us to question how she says she feels. Did the many who boo'd her not have immigration control as a factor for their vote. Of course they did - they just didn't like hearing the impact on a real person of their view.

Immigration control doesn't and never did mean throwing people out of the country. You know that as well as I and I am surprised that someone with your morals would stoop to suggest otherwise.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Suppose we leave the EU and the UK Economy goes completely down the tubes as a result. We could re-apply for membership, but we probably wouldn't then meet the financial requirements, and any of the remaining 27 EU Countries could veto our application (They still have some Sovereignty). Leaving the EU is a huge risk, and I want the Brexit supporters to appreciate this.

Precisely how far down the tubes would the British economy have to go before it got worse than the Greek economy, which apparently does qualify for membership? You really do post some utter tosh.