Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

I think the UK was beholden to the US .. some stuff outstanding from history. I would seriously step back on that one and think about the future relationship with the US.

I think that was more to do with the God complex that Blair has. So disappointing as I felt he was a breath of fresh air to UK politics, but like so many once he'd had power for a while he felt he could do no wrong... power corrupts (even the best?).

 

[Deleted member 18588]

its not true then?

Only in as far as reporting the vote. The level of spin placed upon it would do credit to The Daily Mail.

 

[Hobbit]

It’s project fear because it’s an assumption that it could all be bad for us. It neglects to account for the current restrictions on spending and the deteriorating services that require fixing. Of cause we can opt into lower tax, because it suits us as a person is fine but we will run down the country and there is a possibility of the divides between the wealthy and poor becoming greater.
As long as we all understand that not all things are bad in their manifesto and they are attempting to repair the neglect of the current and previous caretakers. It might not be all palatable but the HoC will determine most of what is acceptable.

Who said anything about it neglects the current restrictions on spending and the deteriorating services? Austerity has gone way too far, and even some Tories have said that. But you fail to consider the affordability of LAbour's manifesto 'promises.' Who said anything about lower taxes? Labour's manifesto talks about raising taxes.

Almost sounds like you've already made up your mind about voting Labour without questioning the affordability. I'm with you on finding a more socialist path but I want to see if its affordable before I vote, not vote for them because it looks pretty and glitters in the sunlight.

 

[patricks148]

Only in as far as reporting the vote. The level of spin placed upon it would do credit to The Daily Mail.

thats the only bit i was interested in her vote...and that why i posted it

 

[Deleted member 18588]

thats the only bit i was interested in her vote...and that why i posted it

So no interest in balance or the full story.

What next? Wings Over Scotland?

 

[Foxholer]

Only in as far as reporting the vote. The level of spin placed upon it would do credit to The Daily Mail.

That's some feat!!

 

[patricks148]

So no interest in balance or the full story.

What next? Wings Over Scotland?

Lol get a grip, a factule peice of news was all it was aor are you a JS fan??

 

[Foxholer]

I think that was more to do with the God complex that Blair has. So disappointing as I felt he was a breath of fresh air to UK politics, but like so many once he'd had power for a while he felt he could do no wrong... power corrupts (even the best?).

And he - along with 'his own Lady MacBeth' were nowhere near 'the best'! Certainly he was a charismatic leader. But, for me, still not forgiven for the death of an eminent scientist and civil servant - David Kelly CMG!

But at least he was able to get Labour elected without being totally controlled by 'the Unions'!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm picturing a scenario where the Scots somehow get an Indy Ref 2, win it and then the Government refuses to implement it. And wee Burnie absolutely goes off on one claiming that people should respect the majority vote in a referendum.

Feel free to leave at any time...remember people are literally dying to get into this country so it cannot be too bad.

We are trying to leave the UK, but for some strange reason most of the Westminster politicians are desperate to cling on to us.
Something fishy about that as, according to many of them, they subsidise us to the hilt.

 

[ger147]

We are trying to leave the UK...

No we're not...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So no interest in balance or the full story.

What next? Wings Over Scotland?

Jeez man keep up. Wings is now sooo yesterday.

 

[drdel]

We are trying to leave the UK, but for some strange reason most of the Westminster politicians are desperate to cling on to us.
Something fishy about that as, according to many of them, they subsidise us to the hilt.

Just perhaps there is a sense of loyalty to the union that is the UK.

 

[Fade and Die]

We are trying to leave the UK, but for some strange reason most of the Westminster politicians are desperate to cling on to us.
Something fishy about that as, according to many of them, they subsidise us to the hilt.

Why have you quoted my post which was aimed at Colonel Bogey who was griping about the UK? Attention seeking much?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just perhaps there is a sense of loyalty to the union that is the UK.

To be honest I am not feeling much loyalty towards the Scottish people coming from Johnson and his fellow right wingers.
They were also happy to throw NI under the £39b bus.
Most of their time seems to be spent in actions that will clearly break up the UK.

 

[Foxholer]

...a factual piece of news...

Two barely connected descriptions these day!

 

[Hobbit]

And he - along with 'his own Lady MacBeth' were nowhere near 'the best'! Certainly he was a charismatic leader. But, for me, still not forgiven for the death of an eminent scientist and civil servant - David Kelly CMG!

But at least he was able to get Labour elected without being totally controlled by 'the Unions'!

Did you miss the ???? at the end of "even the best" and, of course, you know I was referring to Blair in that comment

Nice to see you're still making best use of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Taz]

Laura Kuenssberg

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We are going to hear a lot of this in next 72 hours before election vote on Monday - SNP and LIb Dems might be keen for election, but if PM doesn't have Labour on board he doesn't get to two thirds majority he needs to do under Fixed Term Parliament Act - there are other ways tho

 

[Foxholer]

Just perhaps there is a sense of loyalty to the union that is the UK.

Reading that, the word 'Jack' sprang instantly to mind, but I'm not sure for which of a couple reasons!

 

[harpo_72]

Who said anything about it neglects the current restrictions on spending and the deteriorating services? Austerity has gone way too far, and even some Tories have said that. But you fail to consider the affordability of LAbour's manifesto 'promises.' Who said anything about lower taxes? Labour's manifesto talks about raising taxes.

Almost sounds like you've already made up your mind about voting Labour without questioning the affordability. I'm with you on finding a more socialist path but I want to see if its affordable before I vote, not vote for them because it looks pretty and glitters in the sunlight.

No I am voting liberal, Corbyn is too far left for most to be an acceptable offering. Plus he has not got his defined position on Brexit. I suspect that his wants are not financially viable but how aware are they on the actual state of the economy.. who knows. Like I said he would not have a free reign to change things without some HoC intervention.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so in lead up to a proposed December GE on or around the 12th December, parliament has to approve Johnson's deal by 6th November. Ah well. We here all knew all along that Johnson couldn't actually guarantee that UK would leave the EU on the 31st October - and that what he was saying was just a negotiating ploy all along and not to actually be believed.

Well - I suspect that everybody here knew that. But I am not so sure that everyone out there had the same understanding of what Johnson was up to as we here have - and suspect that many Leave voters believed Johnson's promise (the Tory Party members for one group certainly did) - why wouldn't they...and so they will blame (and are blaming) anyone and everything but Boris for not hitting his promised date. Yes - parliament has stopped him - but he was being disingenuous in ever die-in-a-ditch promising that he would. But that wasn't the point of the promise. I am guessing that he knew fine well that he probably wouldn't hit the date - but he also knew that if he didn't it wouldn't be seen as his fault. Don't you just love this shambles.

Anyway - enough of my despairing over Johnson.

Word has it that the SNP won't go for an election in the vote next week?