Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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I think Dando was only joking. No need to Twaddle him😁

Re a GE, can the tories not draft a one line bill for an Election on a specific date then all they would need would be a simple majority. Think the SNP, the DUP and the Libdems would back it.

Quite interesting what Pestin says on itv news in that snp could table a vonc and the Tories could accept.have
 
Ken Clarke seems to be the only politician in England who knows what occurring.
Says, Johnson's government could not successfully run a whelk stall.:eek:

Because his opponents are pulling every underhand trick in the book to foil him. Not because of policy, but to get us to remain. And Clarke is the biggest remainer of all, quite content to discard all his loyalty to the Tory party.
And him the Father of the House, and all.
 
Why would they though? the Tories would never give them indyref2 and it’s hard to see them strengthening their hand in Parliament. If the GE gives Boris a clear majority and by dint a mandate to Brexit hard what have they got to gain?

Perhaps they hope their 26 seats might given some control, assuming they get back in.
 
Why would they though? the Tories would never give them indyref2 and it’s hard to see them strengthening their hand in Parliament. If the GE gives Boris a clear majority and by dint a mandate to Brexit hard what have they got to gain?
Somehow I cant see Indyref2 happening. I see no way that Scotland would be better off in the EU and out of the UK. I also think its touch and go whether they would be given membership in the short term or even long come to that, Spain would probably throw in a spanner.
 
So what is the Labour stance (other than acting as the true opposition and opposing everything that is put in front of them)
Won’t pass WAB
Don’t want GE
Don’t want Ref2

Any Labour supporter around want to explain what their plan is (other than oppose)
 
Somehow I cant see Indyref2 happening. I see no way that Scotland would be better off in the EU and out of the UK. I also think its touch and go whether they would be given membership in the short term or even long come to that, Spain would probably throw in a spanner.

I agree with all your points (but I know a certain Scot Nat that will be throwing down the pipes to bash out on his phone a response with links to wings to dismiss it all) so what would be the SNPs motives to help Boris?
 
So what is the Labour stance (other than acting as the true opposition and opposing everything that is put in front of them)
Won’t pass WAB
Don’t want GE
Don’t want Ref2

Any Labour supporter around want to explain what their plan is (other than oppose)
To speak like a Dalek with comedy glasses that keep falling down, vote down any deal then negotiate your own, then vote against that. Did I mention wrecking the country if they get in, if not they will wreck the country if they get in. Probably forgot something else, Oh yes, lots more tax and immigration.
 
Why would they though? the Tories would never give them indyref2 and it’s hard to see them strengthening their hand in Parliament. If the GE gives Boris a clear majority and by dint a mandate to Brexit hard what have they got to gain?

What they have to gain is a load of seats if the current opinion polls are in any way accurate. The SNP are way out in front at the moment.
 
To speak like a Dalek with comedy glasses that keep falling down, vote down any deal then negotiate your own, then vote against that. Did I mention wrecking the country if they get in, if not they will wreck the country if they get in. Probably forgot something else, Oh yes, lots more tax and immigration.
that is pure “project fear” complete speculation based on Tory right wing spin.Only a labour insider will know the answers.
 
that is pure “project fear” complete speculation based on Tory right wing spin.Only a labour insider will know the answers.

Rather than label it project fear, why not have a read of Labour's manifesto. It clearly states it will increase Income Tax. It clearly states it will increase Corporation Tax. It is rebranding PFI to PCI via a new national bank. It says it will renationalise the railways and the Royal Mail. It will complete HS2, and extend it and the rail networks. It says it will reduce the deficit in 5 years. There's a whole host of 'projects' lined up, all of which will have a cost.

It then comes down to our own intelligence to try and determine how that is affordable. The easiest numbers to work with are those around the deficit. Divide the current deficit by 5 years. To clear that number alone is pure pie in the sky. To clear that number and maintain/increase govt spending is hysterical.

The value of the denationalised industries is easily calculated, i.e. share price times the number of shares issued. How Labour would service their suggested govt bond scheme is questionable but, again, its up to individuals to determine its viability.

Anyway, I digress. That brings me back to the first sentence, "why not have a read of Labour's own manifesto." That isn't project fear, that's their project fact.
 
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Jings things seem to be changing oop North.
A friend and a relative, not connected, both staunch Tories all their lives and never miss an opportunity to rubbish my Independence leanings.
Both now saying they will vote for an Independent Scotland.
I did check and Hell has not frozen over.

If a ref was held tomorrow, my bet is that Scotland would vote out of the UK due to the mess we are in. This would help Boris to get out without a deal (but I'm not sure he wants this). Oh well. I had a long chat with the misses about leaving the country last night. We're both fed up with the whole thing and the deal on the table is utter poo and we would be better in than out with it! £39 billion and no say in anything. Just who the hell would do that?
 
If a ref was held tomorrow, my bet is that Scotland would vote out of the UK due to the mess we are in. This would help Boris to get out without a deal (but I'm not sure he wants this). Oh well. I had a long chat with the misses about leaving the country last night. We're both fed up with the whole thing and the deal on the table is utter poo and we would be better in than out with it! £39 billion and no say in anything. Just who the hell would do that?

Feel free to leave at any time...remember people are literally dying to get into this country so it cannot be too bad.
 
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