Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[woody69]

I don't get how one bit can be approved, but not the timeline.... oh yes, the timeline ends with us leaving. That's the bit they are blocking!

My prediction still stands

The only thing that was approved was an agreement to further debate the deal. There was absolutely no indication that the majority in fact supported the deal as it was presented yesterday upon voting for whether it should be debated more. All technicalities point to the fact that MPs simply wanted to debate it, not necessarily to pass it. The biggest of these technicalities is the humiliating defeat on the programme motion. Johnson was defeated yesterday, and will never again see a majority in support of a positive motion on that specific agreement as large as last night.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Jings things seem to be changing oop North.
A friend and a relative, not connected, both staunch Tories all their lives and never miss an opportunity to rubbish my Independence leanings.
Both now saying they will vote for an Independent Scotland.
I did check and Hell has not frozen over.

 

[drdel]

Jings things seem to be changing oop North.
A friend and a relative, not connected, both staunch Tories all their lives and never miss an opportunity to rubbish my Independence leanings.
Both now saying they will vote for an Independent Scotland.
I did check and Hell has not frozen over.

So how many drams did it take?

 

[drdel]

I read that the self appointed champion of democracy, Gina Miller, plans to set up a website to give voters advice on tactical voting in a future election !!

It is a wonder some of these people can walk with the massive weight of their huge egos on their shoulders.

 

[Foxholer]

Though I understand such a motion could be amended by the opposition. Now what fun could be had. Propose an amendment that takes control of the date of any subsequent GE out of the gift of the government? Maybe one that states that the PM has to stand down? Just musing on what could be...🙂

They currently have have that control - as it (Gov proposing a GE) requires a 2/3rds majority.

As the BoJo's Government is a minority one, they could simply vote against any No Confidence motion. They are actually in a pretty 'good' position imo - Leader excepted - but that could be said about Conservatives too!

 

[MegaSteve]

I read that the self appointed champion of democracy, Gina Miller, plans to set up a website to give voters advice on tactical voting in a future election !!

It is a wonder some of these people can walk with the massive weight of their huge egos on their shoulders.

I am sure the donations that will have been coming her way will have eased the burden...

 

[robinthehood]

I read that the self appointed champion of democracy, Gina Miller, plans to set up a website to give voters advice on tactical voting in a future election !!

It is a wonder some of these people can walk with the massive weight of their huge egos on their shoulders.

Good on her. Nice to see democracy at work

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I read that the self appointed champion of democracy, Gina Miller, plans to set up a website to give voters advice on tactical voting in a future election !!

It is a wonder some of these people can walk with the massive weight of their huge egos on their shoulders.

OK tactic for Scottish Labour and Tory parties at the last GE though.
Pot kettle rtc,

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So how many drams did it take?

None

 

[IanM]

Both now saying they will vote for an Independent Scotland.
I did check and Hell has not frozen over.

They are in a significant minority then.....

 

[Foxholer]

Red Jezza has denied being there!

I'll call 'Twaddle' on that!

FWIW, I believe they meet 'quite frequently' to discuss the Commons schedule! While they may be on opposite sides of The House, I believe their relationship is 'business-like'. Just another demonstration why the snapshot of Commons debates is only a minor part - and a distortion - of the work of Westminister!

 

[BrianM]

I’ve got to say, depending on what you hear, I personally voted to stay in the UK when the independence card was played and also stay in the EU, looks like I’m crap at winning votes 😂
I’d have to seriously consider the independence thing if it came up again.......
I seriously doubt there is a significant minority now for independence after all this carry on.

 

[chrisd]

If he had a majority can you explain where would that have left NI. ?

Nope

 

[Fade and Die]

I'll call 'Twaddle' on that!

FWIW, I believe they meet 'quite frequently' to discuss the Commons schedule! While they may be on opposite sides of The House, I believe their relationship is 'business-like'. Just another demonstration why the snapshot of Commons debates is only a minor part - and a distortion - of the work of Westminister!

I think Dando was only joking. No need to Twaddle him😁

Re a GE, can the tories not draft a one line bill for an Election on a specific date then all they would need would be a simple majority. Think the SNP, the DUP and the Libdems would back it.

 

[Taz]

this made me giggle

https://twitter.com/x/status/1187047172577083393

 

[patricks148]

I’ve got to say, depending on what you hear, I personally voted to stay in the UK when the independence card was played and also stay in the EU, looks like I’m crap at winning votes 😂
I’d have to seriously consider the independence thing if it came up again.......
I seriously doubt there is a significant minority now for independence after all this carry on.

i know lots in the same boat Brian, all voted to stay in the Union, but now say they would vote diff if Indyref2 came about

 

[Foxholer]

I think Dando was only joking. No need to Twaddle him😁
.../QUOTE]
Perhaps, but I would have expected a Smiley if that was the case - and he'd have got a 'Like' from me for the P-Take! As it is, it looks like the sort of propaganda that pervaded the referendum campaign(s)!

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Re a GE, can the tories not draft a one line bill for an Election on a specific date then all they would need would be a simple majority. Think the SNP, the DUP and the Libdems would back it.

No! Outwith the standard 5 Year cycle, it needs 2/3rds of Commons participants to vote for it - as per 2011 legislation! Labour abstaining would prevent such a bill passing. A No Confidence bill, on the other hand, only requires a simple majority.

 

[Dando]

Smilie added

 

[Fade and Die]

Are you sure the Government cannot draft a one line bill to bring in a new law, and get it passed in a day, similar to the Benn Act? Chap on the radio earlier seemed to think it was possible. Think he was from University if Essex School of Law.

edit. This was meant to have @Foxholer post attached but it disappeared!

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I think Dando was only joking. No need to Twaddle him😁

Re a GE, can the tories not draft a one line bill for an Election on a specific date then all they would need would be a simple majority. Think the SNP, the DUP and the Libdems would back it.

Yes, why not, worth a try, though I wouldn't go so far as to say those parties will back it. Maybe they will.
I wouldn't trust the Libdems on anything at all.