Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[harpo_72]

Who said its a game? And where is the definitive proof that BJ is out of his depth?

Like him or not it would appear that the his strategy got the EU to reopen the WA and change the backstop. And his strategy appears to have made the EU want the extension rather than draw a line under Oct 31st and say No Deal.

Bearing in mind the whole bloody mess, he's not done a bad job in 85 days.

Referring to winning and losing, talking about a 17.6million and leave means leave .. does suggest that the complexity has gone over people’s head and their behaviours on here have shown that they think the negotiations are mono dimensional. BJ has managed to break the law, and is attempting to blackmail the HoC, he is also trying to force through a deal that was worse than May’s .. The EU have given him the slack and been very polite, because they know he is reckless and untrustworthy.. they are enjoying seeing if he can fool the HoC and then the general public.

 

[Hobbit]

Referring to winning and losing, talking about a 17.6million and leave means leave .. does suggest that the complexity has gone over people’s head and their behaviours on here have shown that they think the negotiations are mono dimensional. BJ has managed to break the law, and is attempting to blackmail the HoC, he is also trying to force through a deal that was worse than May’s .. The EU have given him the slack and been very polite, because they know he is reckless and untrustworthy.. they are enjoying seeing if he can fool the HoC and then the general public.

"they are enjoying seeing if he can fool the HoC..."

Really?

To use your own words, "its not a game."

 

[harpo_72]

"they are enjoying seeing if he can fool the HoC..."

Really?

To use your own words, "its not a game."

For them more so than us.. they have little to lose. A dissenting voice in their parliament, constant visits from a serial liar and the UK press every where - generally obstructing day to day business. Oh and 39 billion .. which can be picked up elsewhere in reality.. so more of a game for them.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Lib Dems - like the SNP - waiting to see extension details before backing election.

Jacob Rees-Mogg: I never thought I would see the Scottish Nationalist Party wishing the Tories would stay in office [by denying an election].

It is a total Win Win for the SNP.
The longer Johnson is shown up as a hopeless bumbling fool who continues to spout anti Scottish rubbish then the greater support rises for Scottish Independence.
He is by far the best recruitment tool [sic] in the SNP's box.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Who is this “we” you are referring too ?

Apologies, lazy keyboard work.

It should have said 'at least 50% of the Scottish voting public'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apologies, lazy keyboard work.

It should have said 'at least 50% of the Scottish voting public'.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-switching-to-support-the-union-1-5030614/amp

Maybe you should have gone on a fact finding mission first

 

[woody69]

Who said its a game? And where is the definitive proof that BJ is out of his depth?

Like him or not it would appear that the his strategy got the EU to reopen the WA and change the backstop. And his strategy appears to have made the EU want the extension rather than draw a line under Oct 31st and say No Deal.

Bearing in mind the whole bloody mess, he's not done a bad job in 85 days.

You think he's not done a bad job? I'm not sure how he could have done much worse

 

[drdel]

You think he's not done a bad job? I'm not sure how he could have done much worse

More to the point can you name an MP who would have done better - with the same tactics that the HoC have used against the PM.

 

[robinthehood]

More to the point can you name an MP who would have done better - with the same tactics that the HoC have used against the PM.

A tin of spam, a shoe? Id take either of those as PM over Boris.

 

[Hobbit]

You think he's not done a bad job? I'm not sure how he could have done much worse

He got them to reopen the un-openable WA, you know the one they said time and again wasn't openable. He got the backstop changed, you know the one they said they wouldn't budge on. He got Parliament to agree the deal in principle, just not the timetable. He's got a Cabinet, which BTW does include Remainers, to operate as a team.

Do I agree with it, and Brexit as a whole? No, but I recognise he's done more than his predecessor by some margin and in a very short timeframe. Some people wouldn't accept a single thing he does because of who he is, what he's done in the past and what he represents. That's just narrow minded and blinkered.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

More to the point can you name an MP who would have done better - with the same tactics that the HoC have used against the PM.

Mhairi Black, she would have had then soiling their keeks.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-switching-to-support-the-union-1-5030614/amp

Maybe you should have gone on a fact finding mission first

Quoting the 'Hootsmon'
Your credibility would have been higher if you quoted the Morning Star.

 

[SocketRocket]

BJ is a liar, it’s well documented he is, long before be become PM.

Thats a crude insult to make, I could say that every politician was a liar but such comments are lazy and knee jerk. Boris has some good attributes and some failings just like you and I and every other person so try a bit harder with your put downs.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Quoting the 'Hootsmon'
Your credibility would have been higher if you quoted the Morning Star.

How about this one

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....tish-independence-with-only-40-in-favour/amp/

Or this one

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...referendum-have-changed-their-minds-hb9tk2f0x

Or this one

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ce-group-backfires-reveals-support-union/amp/

All are reporting the same thing - a poll that was started by a “Pro Independence” group to show support for Independence actually showed support for staying within the UK - I guess your bitterness and narrow mindedness will ignore it all - suspect “Wings” will be reporting it 🙄

 

[drdel]

So the PM's waiting for JC. JC's waiting for EU, EU is waiting for JC/HoC... and we're all waiting to see if Bercow really goes on 31st

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How about this one

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....tish-independence-with-only-40-in-favour/amp/

Or this one

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...referendum-have-changed-their-minds-hb9tk2f0x

Or this one

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ce-group-backfires-reveals-support-union/amp/

All are reporting the same thing - a poll that was started by a “Pro Independence” group to show support for Independence actually showed support for staying within the UK - I guess your bitterness and narrow mindedness will ignore it all - suspect “Wings” will be reporting it 🙄

Your lack of knowledge of the Scottish political scene shines like a beacon, its one poll.
Bet you cannot find any that say the opposite.

For a bit of balance.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=scott...c23494fc394a9bc676b072a32&cc=GB&setlang=en-GB

 

[Mudball]

So the PM's waiting for JC. JC's waiting for EU, EU is waiting for JC/HoC... and we're all waiting to see if Bercow really goes on 31st

..correction.. we are all waiting to see who goes into Celebrity big brother, Strictly Dancing, Apprentice., love island etc. This year they should start a new series... ' I am a Celebrity, get me out of here' and it should be done in the HoC.. that way people would be more interested in politics

 

[SocketRocket]

Referring to winning and losing, talking about a 17.6million and leave means leave .. does suggest that the complexity has gone over people’s head and their behaviours on here have shown that they think the negotiations are mono dimensional. BJ has managed to break the law, and is attempting to blackmail the HoC, he is also trying to force through a deal that was worse than May’s .. The EU have given him the slack and been very polite, because they know he is reckless and untrustworthy.. they are enjoying seeing if he can fool the HoC and then the general public.

You say its not a game but if you look at the way many MPs have worked against Brexit while using weasel words saying they respect the referendum outcome it has become a farce.
You have the audacity to point your finger at others making accusations that they dont understand the ramifications of their views, but you sir are one of the most blinkered self opinionated posters on this site, you have such vitriol and hatred in your anti conservative outlook you have blinded yourself to anything Boris or his cabinet may achieve. He may not be perfect but it would be interesting to see what kind of job an armchair socialist like you (who has probably never been hard up) do in his place. Your running scared and blinkered opinion really is rather pathetic.

 

[Wilson]

Thats a crude insult to make, I could say that every politician was a liar but such comments are lazy and knee jerk. Boris has some good attributes and some failings just like you and I and every other person so try a bit harder with your put downs.

It's not an insult, it's a fact - how did he get on at the Times? Or when he was VP of the Conservative party when Howard was PM?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You say its not a game but if you look at the way many MPs have worked against Brexit while using weasel words saying they respect the referendum outcome it has become a farce.
You have the audacity to point your finger at others making accusations that they dont understand the ramifications of their views, but you sir are one of the most blinkered self opinionated posters on this site, you have such vitriol and hatred in your anti conservative outlook you have blinded yourself to anything Boris or his cabinet may achieve. He may not be perfect but it would be interesting to see what kind of job an armchair socialist like you (who has probably never been hard up) do in his place. Your running scared and blinkered opinion really is rather pathetic.

You can’t help yourself, you cry foul when people call Boris a liar, despite the fact it has been proven and he’s been sacked for it, saying it’s “such comments are lazy and knee jerk”
Then you make all sorts of accusations and insults to harpo as he holds a different opinion to yourself.

And back to the shadows I go.