Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hacker Khan]

This is a simple question:

if the various constituencies voted 406 to 242 to leave why do the MP’s not follow their requests?

Very simplistic I know but very overwhelming

Been done to death but to recap, because we operate in a representative democracy not a direct democracy. A representative democracy is where we elect people to represent us, direct democracy is where people decide everything themselves. How the representatives make their decisions in a representative democracy is down to many things including their conscience and the need to be reelected.

Example being that a labour MP in a deprived area where a majority of their their constituency voted to leave may be torn between voting for the deal as that is what the majority of constituents wanted and it may increase their chances or being reelected. Or rejecting this deal as they feel the potential deregulation in employment laws will in fact not improve the lives or economy of the area they represent, indeed it will make it worse. And that passing the deal will vastly increase the overall chances of the Tories having a bigger majority in the upcoming GE.

 

[robinthehood]

What proof can you show to support your statement?
You talk as though Americans accept poor hygiene and are prepared to eat sub standard meat. Its absolute twaddle with no proof, we have higher levels of infection in chickens in this country, read the link that was posted and educate yourself. Oof!

Proof of what? Your making assumptions that I am bothred by chlorine washes.

 

[Grant85]

Prediction for Saturday

The Government won't get their deal through.
Labour will try to add an ammendment to 'put it to the people' and they won't get that through.
SNP will add an amendment for extension and General Election, and they won't get that through.

Boris will ultimately comply with UK Law and request extension on Saturday at 1159.

We will then have a bit of wrangling next week about whether to have another referendum or an election. I would hope sense would prevail and a 2nd referendum will win - then the people can decide if this form of Brexit is what they want, or if we should just forget about the last 40 months and go back to the good ole days.

 

[harpo_72]

Prediction for Saturday

The Government won't get their deal through.
Labour will try to add an ammendment to 'put it to the people' and they won't get that through.
SNP will add an amendment for extension and General Election, and they won't get that through.

Boris will ultimately comply with UK Law and request extension on Saturday at 1159.

We will then have a bit of wrangling next week about whether to have another referendum or an election. I would hope sense would prevail and a 2nd referendum will win - then the people can decide if this form of Brexit is what they want, or if we should just forget about the last 40 months and go back to the good ole days.

That's a pretty safe bet.
I think we do need to say 2nd referendum with a detailed break down of the deal being offered and how it compares to remain.
No deal is not in the mix, so forget it. Let the referendum guide them on the deal ... this time, though all the claims will need to be forensically scrutinised, before being made, as the British public are, dare I say it .. a bit gullible.

 

[Taz]

Sinister :
John McDonnell refuses to say whether #Labour MPs will be punished if they back #Brexit deal. Says he’s confident he can “persuade” them not to

 

[harpo_72]

Sinister :
John McDonnell refuses to say whether #Labour MPs will be punished if they back #Brexit deal. Says he’s confident he can “persuade” them not to

They should be removed from the party if they do not follow the party ideal .. Boris was correct in his actions ... different views in a party that are completely opposed to the party opinion are a cancer that need removing..

 

[Grant85]

Sinister :
John McDonnell refuses to say whether #Labour MPs will be punished if they back #Brexit deal. Says he’s confident he can “persuade” them not to

I'd imagine that given they have not expelled John Mann or Kate Hoey (who have consistently voted with the Government on matters Brexit) any Labour rebels will get away with it.

Cynic would suggest Labour leadership don't care that much if this deal gets through. Draws a line under this part of the process and takes remain off the table.

 

[jp5]

They should be removed from the party if they do not follow the party ideal

I wonder if Mr Corbyn would step down then given how many times he has rebelled against the party line in his career

 

[harpo_72]

I wonder if Mr Corbyn would step down then given how many times he has rebelled against the party line in his career

Looks like the unions have made it their party led by their man now .. I am okay with that but they won't get my vote as i am not that far left. So in the end if the party separates to moderate left and far left that's good and like wise the Tory's do the same then we will have the extreme factions marginalised .. I hope!

 

[jp5]

No chance the Tories will split, self-preservation is in their DNA! Not so sure about Labour, depends who they put in charge after Corbyn. But any party tends to need to be a broad church to gain power in our system.

 

[Foxholer]

He asked us to give it a break in respect of repeated comments about his French barber. as they were no longer funny. I asked that he give it a break in respect of his repeated snide comments about the motives of those who voted Leave as they were no longer funny.

Truth be told his insinuations of racism never were funny.

I fail to see how your reply to his post bears any relationship to the post, by him, that you quoted! Kindly explain what I am missing!

And I've can't remember ever seeing a post by him insinuating Brexit voters as 'knuckle dragging racists whose sole motive is the removal of every foreigner from our shores' (to quote you!) or anything remotely like that! Kindly point me to a couple (just the post numbers will do).

 

[drdel]

Its clear that Brexit is a totally political football - all sides in EU and UK will want to claim their positive slant/win and eventually it will be up to the Civil Servants in UK and in Brussels to try and make a sensible working system amidst the continuous political spin.

I wouldn't get too excited by the media reports: this 'game' is set to go to full-time and we ain't reached half-time yet and the referee's lost the watch and the rule book !!!

 

[SocketRocket]

That's a pretty safe bet.
I think we do need to say 2nd referendum with a detailed break down of the deal being offered and how it compares to remain.
No deal is not in the mix, so forget it. Let the referendum guide them on the deal ... this time, though all the claims will need to be forensically scrutinised, before being made, as the British public are, dare I say it .. a bit gullible.

A second referendum without the first result being enacted is anti democratic, no ifs no buts. It is only being called for by those who's vote lost , I guess at my age I shouldnt be surprised at anything in politics but what is happening stinks of the modern 'entitlement' mindset.

If we were to have a second referendum then why not one for Deal or No Deal, I guess remainers wouldn't like that and would roll out these pathetic reasons like 'we know so much more now' or 'the result of the first referendum was based on a lie painted on the side of a bus'. Just imagine if the vote was won by remain by the same percentage and leave MPs had created the same type scenario as we have experienced and asked for a second referendum, what would your honest opinion be for that?

 

[SocketRocket]

Its clear that Brexit is a totally political football - all sides in EU and UK will want to claim their positive slant/win and eventually it will be up to the Civil Servants in UK and in Brussels to try and make a sensible working system amidst the continuous political spin.

I wouldn't get too excited by the media reports: this 'game' is set to go to full-time and we ain't reached half-time yet and the referee's lost the watch and the rule book !!!

And the players are intent on scoring own goals because they dont like the pitch.

 

[drdel]

Germany is looking to get a rebate in the next EU budget if the UK has left - I guess that will be more creative accounting (QE).

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185094511925628928

If only the UK could negotiate Raab's fabulous deal for Scotland, England and Wales.

 

[drdel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185094511925628928

If only the UK could negotiate Raab's fabulous deal for Scotland, England and Wales.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185094511925628928

If only the UK could negotiate Raab's fabulous deal for Scotland, England and Wales.

Don't jump the gun. We're only at the stage of the WA - future of trade etc is a whole new ball game!

 

[Taz]

 

[Taz]

Court of Appeal judges have rejected a bid by civil rights campaigners for an urgent hearing of their case against Prime Minister Boris Johnson over Brexit.
The group, Liberty, brought the case in an attempt to ensure the government complied with the Benn Act - the law passed by MPs last month preventing a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
Lord Burnett says the judges will give full reasons for their decision in writing at a later date.

 

[woody69]

What's so funny about this statement?