Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...-peace-process-says-pelosi-1.4053662?mode=amp

 

[SocketRocket]

But it doesn’t matter now, let’s see Saturday’s vote ..

less than socketrocket

Dont drag me into it sweety.

 

[SocketRocket]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...-peace-process-says-pelosi-1.4053662?mode=amp

I can almost hear you salivating.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I can almost hear you salivating.

SILH gets a lot of stick on this thread but your level of input is just as bad - what exactly was the point of posting that reply ?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Raising entirely valid points or defending his concerns?
Certainly nowhere near as many as those by the 'bullies' condemning his his posting without countering his, quite legitimate and reasonable, continued scepticism - your post above being an example!

And where do you stand on his continued insults against those in favour of leaving Foxy? His posts have been pulled to pieces over the snide comments & unfounded allegations against those opposed to remaining and their motives.

If he'd presented his concerns in a polite and pleasant manner he'd have promoted sensible debate. He chose not to & then cries foul when people respond to his abuse. There's more than a suspicion in certain quarters that he's been playing this for s & giggles.

Sorry, but as Big Country put it, "Just as you sow you will reap."

 

[robinthehood]

If the deal is pretty much the same as TMs deal. How can mogg and his cronies get behind it?

 

[SocketRocket]

SILH gets a lot of stick on this thread but your level of input is just as bad - what exactly was the point of posting that reply ?

You getting off on what you consider bad Brexit news, why else did you post the link. Look to yourself first matey.

 

[Fade and Die]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...-peace-process-says-pelosi-1.4053662?mode=amp

Maybe The Big Orange Don is right about Nancy, maybe she does have problems upstairs?

 

[Blue in Munich]

If the deal is pretty much the same as TMs deal. How can mogg and his cronies get behind it?

You would hope they wouldn't if it is May's dog's dinner Mark 2; Saturday will tell...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You getting off on what you consider bad Brexit news, why else did you post the link. Look to yourself first matey.

Getting off ?! Grow the hell and stop acting like a 🛎 end - you are always quick to point the finger at others without looking at yourself

The post is very relevant right now in regards the deal - just because it doesn’t fit your agenda doesn’t mean people can’t post it.

 

[robinthehood]

You would hope they wouldn't if it is May's dog's dinner Mark 2; Saturday will tell...

It's approx 90% the same. Is that enough of a change? You'd think not going on previous rhetoric from mogg

 

[robinthehood]

You getting off on what you consider bad Brexit news, why else did you post the link. Look to yourself first matey.

Oof
It's important brexit news ... in a brexit thread.
Pretty relevant wouldn't you say?

 

[Blue in Munich]

It's approx 90% the same. Is that enough of a change? You'd think not going on previous rhetoric from mogg

Not for me, but I don't have a vote this time.

 

[MegaSteve]

Well, from where I am sitting Boris has delivered bugger all... No surprise from here on that either... Always been good on promises but always come up short on delivery...

Hopefully 'no deal' is still on the table...

 

[Foxholer]

The poor will always be with us, you should know that. Even your EU security blanket has not managed to reduce them or improve their lot, only wealth creation has a chance of distributing it down the line and that comes down to the people who will be prepared to create and expand business, not those who prefer to stifle and over-regulate it. You mention job security, the EU has worked quite hard to entice jobs out of the UK and into other poorer EU member states. They have also used our money to protect inefficient food producers by artificially forcing up food prices by making produce from outside the club less competitive with the use of tarrifs and quotas, a lot of food produce are cheaper from outside the EU.

You are, quite reasonably, arguing from a 'significantly further to the right' pov than SILH.
I agree with a lot of the above, though also agree with a couple of Corbyn's concerns of the possible consequences of leaving EU regulatory control.
Putting EU's fedaralist ambitions aside, I believe the EU has, in the main, improved European-wide, conditions of life (and work). The fee method actually forces the distribution of wealth down from the line! The Customs Union and Single Market significantly reduces regulation and bureaucracy. While there are certainly individual instances of favourtism/enticement, I believe that, as long as they are not corrupt, that's no different to UK government encouraging the same inn our 'poorer' regions - simply at a 'whole of Europe' level. If the effect is that a 'poorer' country's economy is improved by such 'favourtism', then the incentive to move to a 'wealthier' one is reduced (so fewer immigrants) and wealthier countries levy contributions can be reduced - another positive! There's only a certain level of 'improved efficiency' of food production I'm prepared to accept. I'm opposed to ('more efficiency' by utilising) GM foods from a 'meddling too far with nature' pov. Likewise, I wouldn't want the regs re animal health/welfare to loosen - in fact I believe they should be tightened/properly applied in many cases. If that means it cost me slightly more for (proper) bread or meat, then that's fine by me!

 

[Foxholer]

And where do you stand on his continued insults against those in favour of leaving Foxy? His posts have been pulled to pieces over the snide comments & unfounded allegations against those opposed to remaining and their motives.

If he'd presented his concerns in a polite and pleasant manner he'd have promoted sensible debate. He chose not to & then cries foul when people respond to his abuse. There's more than a suspicion in certain quarters that he's been playing this for s & giggles.

Sorry, but as Big Country put it, "Just as you sow you will reap."

You mean like the following comment below - that I can't see any relationship to his post?

You can give that a break - it's no longer funny - as my French barber has returned to France - very disappointed and pretty sickened by England and Brexit. And so Brexit job done for that one individual.

And so you continue your snide insinuations that all Brexit voters are knuckle dragging racists whose sole motive is the removal of every foreigner from our shores; why don't you do us all a favour and give it a break? Your attitude is beneath contempt.

Btw. Big Country wasn't the first to make that comment!

 

[Fade and Die]

You are, quite reasonably, arguing from a 'significantly further to the right' pov than SILH.
I agree with a lot of the above, though also agree with a couple of Corbyn's concerns of the possible consequences of leaving EU regulatory control.
Putting EU's fedaralist ambitions aside, I believe the EU has, in the main, improved European-wide, conditions of life (and work). The fee method actually forces the distribution of wealth down from the line! The Customs Union and Single Market significantly reduces regulation and bureaucracy. While there are certainly individual instances of favourtism/enticement, I believe that, as long as they are not corrupt, that's no different to UK government encouraging the same inn our 'poorer' regions - simply at a 'whole of Europe' level. If the effect is that a 'poorer' country's economy is improved by such 'favourtism', then the incentive to move to a 'wealthier' one is reduced (so fewer immigrants) and wealthier countries levy contributions can be reduced - another positive! There's only a certain level of 'improved efficiency' of food production I'm prepared to accept. I'm opposed to ('more efficiency' by utilising) GM foods from a 'meddling too far with nature' pov. Likewise, I wouldn't want the regs re animal health/welfare to loosen - in fact I believe they should be tightened/properly applied in many cases. If that means it cost me slightly more for (proper) bread or meat, then that's fine by me!

A big “like” for the part of your post regarding food, one of my pet peeves animal welfare and meat and dairy being too cheap in supermarkets.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Btw. Big Country wasn't the first to make that comment!

I'm fully aware of that, but SILH gets humpy if you bring his religion into it so I chose an alternative source.

 

[SocketRocket]

Getting off ?! Grow the hell and stop acting like a 🛎 end - you are always quick to point the finger at others without looking at yourself

The post is very relevant right now in regards the deal - just because it doesn’t fit your agenda doesn’t mean people can’t post it.

Post what you like but dont pretend its something its not. You posed a link to an article you thought was a putdown to Brexit, you didnt post any thoughts on it or used it to support any. It was just a schoolboy type bum flash. Try harder.

 

[SocketRocket]

You are, quite reasonably, arguing from a 'significantly further to the right' pov than SILH.
I agree with a lot of the above, though also agree with a couple of Corbyn's concerns of the possible consequences of leaving EU regulatory control.
Putting EU's fedaralist ambitions aside, I believe the EU has, in the main, improved European-wide, conditions of life (and work). The fee method actually forces the distribution of wealth down from the line! The Customs Union and Single Market significantly reduces regulation and bureaucracy. While there are certainly individual instances of favourtism/enticement, I believe that, as long as they are not corrupt, that's no different to UK government encouraging the same inn our 'poorer' regions - simply at a 'whole of Europe' level. If the effect is that a 'poorer' country's economy is improved by such 'favourtism', then the incentive to move to a 'wealthier' one is reduced (so fewer immigrants) and wealthier countries levy contributions can be reduced - another positive! There's only a certain level of 'improved efficiency' of food production I'm prepared to accept. I'm opposed to ('more efficiency' by utilising) GM foods from a 'meddling too far with nature' pov. Likewise, I wouldn't want the regs re animal health/welfare to loosen - in fact I believe they should be tightened/properly applied in many cases. If that means it cost me slightly more for (proper) bread or meat, then that's fine by me!

To clarify. I didnt mean animal rights or food safety standards being lowered, we should be capable of managing these things ourselves.