chrisd
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Well let's hope Macron says no to an extension if the deal fails
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Well let's hope Macron says no to an extension if the deal fails
Foxholer
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So?
Parliament voted to trigger Article 50, which states that if no deal is agreed after 2 Years (plus extension(s)) then 'No Deal' happens.
So 3 options exist. Accept deal agreed by BJ/CJ; Reject NJ/CJ deal - forcing BJ to request extension to negotiate further; Cancel A50!
If 2nd option (current efault) chosen and extension request is rejected (which I think is likely), then Parliament (not BJ) will be forced to rethink - which would test EU's resolve and it's goals/desire about UK's membership!
harpo_72
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if No extension, no deal won’t happen and article 50 is revoked .. that simple.
So do we actually have a deal? either way you look at it the EU has won.
They win if we remain and they win with the deal ... leavers lose on every level.
So do we actually have a deal? either way you look at it the EU has won.
They win if we remain and they win with the deal ... leavers lose on every level.
D
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No deal can still happen.
You come on here and talk like you actually know what’s going on! How dare you!
Foxholer
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So Parliament loses whatever is left of its integrity!
It's not a competition! Both sides 'lose' - imo!
Leavers actually finally get something they won a Referendum about!
As far as I can see, the only 'losers' are those Remains who REALLY wanted to remain - as opposed to those, like myself, who (on balance) preferred to remain, or were simply fearful of leaving.
drdel
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Can Letwin's amendment upset the apple-cart?
Taz
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drdel
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IMO it is just further evidence of how far removed from reality some MPs have become in their HoC bubble.
fundy
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to see how far removed they are, one of them stood up and asked for childcare expenses after MPs had to work on a saturday for the 3rd time in 70 years, some people have to do that each month!
Foxholer
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Or how little they trust BoJo!
Seems to me a reasonable action - certainly keeping control of the agenda where it belongs...in Parliament. And it would also forewarn the result of the extension request.
Btw. The request for Childcare expenses for Saturday seems quite reasonable to me!
drdel
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But do you really think that was the motive rather than kicking Brexit down the road.
Taz
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Foxholer
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Does it matter? At least, it shouldn't if BoJo stays 'honest'! Which seems to be quite a task!
harpo_72
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That’s true ... the remainers lose on the deal as well.
But the pleasure is the irony.
SocketRocket
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We have been fed a constant message from Remainers they want to stop No Deal. So here's their chance by voting for a deal or chance what they have been fearing becoming a reality.
Doon frae Troon
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Might be a bit amusing if the vote is tied and the Speaker casts the deciding vote.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/are-you-being-served/#comments
And Scotland does not even get a chance to drink at the last chance saloon.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/are-you-being-served/#comments
And Scotland does not even get a chance to drink at the last chance saloon.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so...as we face the prospect today of BoJo’s Deal winning the day I am wondering: What happened to No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal; What happened to No Border in the Irish Sea Ever; What happened to the Alternative Arrangements to manage the border; What happened to The Technical Solutions are there they just need rolled out; What happened to The Irish Border is a non-issue easily dealt with; What happened to the German car industry, French and Italian wine-producers coming galloping over the horizon (maybe they did - we just didn’t see or hear them); What happened to us refusing to pay all the £39bn (or whatever it is now) until the new free trade agreement is agreed; What happened to us trading on WTO rules - and don’t you just love such as R-M seemingly forgetting he ever talked about leaving and trading under GATT 24 etc etc. What happened to David Davis being in Berlin the day after the vote opening talks with Germany. And why have workers rights been removed from the legally binding part to that part that is not legally binding. Why? Unless the why is beacause some such as Raab and Patel would have these rights reduced.
How come BoJo is being celebrated for persuading the EU to reopen the WIthdrawl Agreement so they can agree what many understand to be a worse agreement overall for the UK.
And still I struggle to understand why it is a good thing for me - why I will be better off tomorrow than I am this morning. Because I know what I will be losing (for example freedom of movement) and I do not know what I will be gaining other than a promise of jam tomorrow.
And I look at ERG folk saying they will support BoJo’s May Mk2, and I wonder if they do this as they think that when we do not reach a trade agreement in the transition period (by mid-2020) an extension will not be requested or passed by a BoJo government and so at end 2020 we leave - effectively on a No Deal basis.
And yet still a part of me thinks getting BoJo May Mk2 through today would be OK - simply for the healing of the country. I wish I had any confidence that it would.
How come BoJo is being celebrated for persuading the EU to reopen the WIthdrawl Agreement so they can agree what many understand to be a worse agreement overall for the UK.
And still I struggle to understand why it is a good thing for me - why I will be better off tomorrow than I am this morning. Because I know what I will be losing (for example freedom of movement) and I do not know what I will be gaining other than a promise of jam tomorrow.
And I look at ERG folk saying they will support BoJo’s May Mk2, and I wonder if they do this as they think that when we do not reach a trade agreement in the transition period (by mid-2020) an extension will not be requested or passed by a BoJo government and so at end 2020 we leave - effectively on a No Deal basis.
And yet still a part of me thinks getting BoJo May Mk2 through today would be OK - simply for the healing of the country. I wish I had any confidence that it would.
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harpo_72
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So you think your bully the remainers into this deal ?
If we leave without a deal .. which is unlikely as the HoC will not let us and the Benn Agreement accounts for that .. the ERG and Boris will be wholly to blame.
If we remain there will be a minority of hard core leavers - but a majority of level headed people who know that the deal was never going to be great and will either work tirelessly to make sure that we are prepared to leave in the future with a strong position or we remain and influence and control the EU bodies.
If the remoamers get their way there will never be another chance to leave.
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