Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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So Dyson seems to be a fan of changing his mind on his electric cars a few years later when the information available has changed - hmm...
So whats wrong with that. He has been carrying out a research and development project which he hoped would produce a new generation of electric car. He is carrying on with the development of batteries but has decided car production is no longer viable.
I suspect your condemnation is based on his brexit views.
 
every country Has red tape incl those you mentioned above. The big diff is that pre Brexit we did not have to worry about it when dealing with EU/France, now we have brought it onto ourself.

I/My company/My sector (IT) does a LOT of work in the EU. We are net exporters and don’t have to worry about visas, qualification, social security payments when I send John to go and do some work in France, Germany, Spain. we close the deal on Friday, and John will be there on Monday morning. Very different for (say) an Indian IT firm which will need to apply for visas. This is also the reason why Indian IT firms open offices and centers in the UK. They invest/recruit/bring in folks who live here and pay taxes here but can then go to Spain on Monday morning (assuming that they have a Brit passport).. the colour of a passport is irrelevant to anyone it’s the power of it that matters - can you travel, work, holiday without having to worry about visas, social security/NI, medical emergencies/EHIC, qualification/accreditations. In an age when India and China are on a warpath to make visa or visa on arrival deals with as many countries as possible, The UK may be the first country that is bent on imposing sanctions on itself.
I will get off my soap box and let the will of the people take over

I know that every country has red tape, we export worldwide. I can't comment about recruiting workers etc, only shipping goods. My point was that whilst there is red tape in all countries around the world the EU are adding additional layers to ones already imposed by other countries. We are all aware life will be different to how it is now, they are just adding extra barriers to other countries.
 
So whats wrong with that. He has been carrying out a research and development project which he hoped would produce a new generation of electric car. He is carrying on with the development of batteries but has decided car production is no longer viable.
I suspect your condemnation is based on his brexit views.

I'm not condemning him - I wholly support continual review of future plans to ensure they are in the best interests. One could say the last three years have been a research and development project on Brexit, that we were hoping would produce sunnier uplands, but instead seem to be making everyone's lives more difficult.
 
I'm not condemning him - I wholly support continual review of future plans to ensure they are in the best interests. One could say the last three years have been a research and development project on Brexit, that we were hoping would produce sunnier uplands, but instead seem to be making everyone's lives more difficult.
Whats any of this to do with Dysons electric car development?
Also, we may have been in sunnier uplands if remainers had accepted a democratic vote and had the balls to accept the vote didnt go their way.
 
Just exposing Dyson's hypocrisy :eek:

"If remainers had accepted a democratic vote" has just become a vacuous platitude. Which remainers are you talking about, and how would that have affected the process thus far?

I struggle to see any remainers, or anyone at all, that can single handledly resolve the impasse of the UK wanting to leave the customs union but not impose a border between NI/Ireland.

For what it's worth I think the majority of people accept the 2016 vote, it is the realities of the outcome that are causing the issues.
 
Also, we may have been in sunnier uplands if remainers had accepted a democratic vote and had the balls to accept the vote didnt go their way.

The vote was "accepted". A50 was enacted and the process of withdrawing initiated. Problem is, it is significantly more complicated than just saying, "thanks" and walking away. We're not where we are because people didn't believe hard enough
 
The vote was "accepted". A50 was enacted and the process of withdrawing initiated. Problem is, it is significantly more complicated than just saying, "thanks" and walking away. We're not where we are because people didn't believe hard enough

Though Johnson may still be able to say that the doomsters and gloomsters were indeed wrong...

We will see...
 
The vote was "accepted". A50 was enacted and the process of withdrawing initiated. Problem is, it is significantly more complicated than just saying, "thanks" and walking away. We're not where we are because people didn't believe hard enough
I keep explaining that the simple resolution is a free trade agreement, its not a complex concept, its not even difficult to initiate. I would suggest a compromise to the current situation would be an immediate transition period where everything is placed on hold while trade talks commence. The only objection to that can be from those who deny Brexit happening.

Also, we are where we are due to people believing they know better than those that voted to leave. How biggoted of them not to accept the outcome
 
Just exposing Dyson's hypocrisy :eek:

"If remainers had accepted a democratic vote" has just become a vacuous platitude. Which remainers are you talking about, and how would that have affected the process thus far?

I struggle to see any remainers, or anyone at all, that can single handledly resolve the impasse of the UK wanting to leave the customs union but not impose a border between NI/Ireland.

For what it's worth I think the majority of people accept the 2016 vote, it is the realities of the outcome that are causing the issues.
If you believe Dyson was a hypocrite then explain your reasoning for it as it sure beats me why you say it.
 
I keep explaining that the simple resolution is a free trade agreement, its not a complex concept, its not even difficult to initiate. I would suggest a compromise to the current situation would be an immediate transition period where everything is placed on hold while trade talks commence. The only objection to that can be from those who deny Brexit happening.

Also, we are where we are due to people believing they know better than those that voted to leave. How biggoted of them not to accept the outcome
We are here because a large part of the Tory party are hard line brexiteers and voted against the original deal. You make the poor assumption that everyone who voted remain is unable to accept the result. This is also not true , just do it properly in a controlled manner that has as little negative impact as possible
 
I keep explaining that the simple resolution is a free trade agreement, its not a complex concept, its not even difficult to initiate. I would suggest a compromise to the current situation would be an immediate transition period where everything is placed on hold while trade talks commence. The only objection to that can be from those who deny Brexit happening.
So that'll be another 6 (or even10) years (going by how long the Canada FTA took) of planning/negotiation before that's settled! Meanwhil;e UK remains in the EU, where, surprise surprise, trade between EU and UK is free!!
I'm pretty sure THAT is a/the major reason (excuse?) why the EU rejected that approach and insisted on agreeing WA/Leave first; then consider Future Relationship(s)!
 
We are here because a large part of the Tory party are hard line brexiteers and voted against the original deal. You make the poor assumption that everyone who voted remain is unable to accept the result. This is also not true , just do it properly in a controlled manner that has as little negative impact as possible
Likewise, you make 'the poor assumption', or at least the implication, that the original deal was scuppered by 'hard line brexiteers'. In fact it was rejected by a significant majority in the Commons, 3 times, because it was a poor deal that, potentially/likely, did not achieve Leave at all!
 
Likewise, you make 'the poor assumption', or at least the implication, that the original deal was scuppered by 'hard line brexiteers'. In fact it was rejected by a significant majority in the Commons, 3 times, because it was a poor deal that, potentially/likely, did not achieve Leave at all!
The opposition are not obliged to vote in favour. If may hadn't been so poorly advised and assume she'd sweep up the brexit vote in a GE, may be things would have been different.
 
So that'll be another 6 (or even10) years (going by how long the Canada FTA took) of planning/negotiation before that's settled! Meanwhil;e UK remains in the EU, where, surprise surprise, trade between EU and UK is free!!
I'm pretty sure THAT is a/the major reason (excuse?) why the EU rejected that approach and insisted on agreeing WA/Leave first; then consider Future Relationship(s)!
As we are in the EU now its not such a task to unferstand how a free trade agreement should work. Surely the one with Canada is a good template. 6 to 10 years is not realistic, how long did the Japan one take?
 
The stock market is liking the idea that a deal is in the offing .
As an aside over the last 3 years my wife's company has written off 1.8million in stock due to the prolonged brexit negotiations and failed deadlines.
Oof.
 
Indeed! Otherwise May would likely have signed it off using 'Royal prerogative' and we'd be 'out' but effectively still 'in'!!
But we would then be in the transition period and able to negotiate the FTA that Socket suggests when he stated: "I would suggest a compromise to the current situation would be an immediate transition period where everything is placed on hold while trade talks commence"
 
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