Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

I don't think Syria has ever been a NATO commitment, whether or not one thinks it should be . I still would not rely on this US administration in any shape or form .
I have seen absolutely no consistency of purpose whether it be us seizing Iranian tankers on their behalf . Kurds fighting ISIS or South Korea & Japan worried about North Korean missiles. Traditional American enemies treat them with impunity whilst traditional allies remain baffled and hamstrung.

The tanker incident was because of UN sanctions and therefore done on their behalf.

 

[Backache]

I think it is naive to suggest that the USA was not behind the UN and the intelligence gathering that caused us or rather to be pedantic Gibraltar to impound the tanker.

 

[Tashyboy]

Interesting... My lad speaks on an almost daily basis to folk in the Netherlands... At first, they advised, they were a little/lot jealous of being in the position of escaping the clutches of Brussels... Now, they say, they can't believe how appallingly bad/inept our politicians are...

The folk in the German office (HQ) can't believe sales are up and wonder why the UK haven't put a block on EU businesses in the same manner blocks have been put on UK businesses since the vote...

As much as I have no reason to doubt what you say, when it comes to the thoughts and verbal opinions of people from other countries. I was reliably informed by others on here it's all bollox especially when it don't fit there thought process.
The fact remains that Brexit is a global discussion and not just confined to this forum.

 

[Beezerk]

On a slight tangent, does anyone have the figures which show the how the EU referendum results would have looked were Scotland not in the UK?
Just a bit of fun really, I heard an article on Radio 5 the other day where they had lots of Scottish independent supporters saying Scotland would be back in the EU if the UK were ever to leave.

 

[Taz]

Wonder where we would be now if he'd have got the gig?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182043799784177666

 

[Blue in Munich]

Wonder where we would be now if he'd have got the gig?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182043799784177666

I think the words "reverse Brexit" tell you exactly where we'd be.

 

[Hobbit]

On a slight tangent, does anyone have the figures which show the how the EU referendum results would have looked were Scotland not in the UK?
Just a bit of fun really, I heard an article on Radio 5 the other day where they had lots of Scottish independent supporters saying Scotland would be back in the EU if the UK were ever to leave.

There’s a number of articles listing the numbers that voted either way. Roughly, because I can’t be bothered to look up the numbers, two thirds of Scottish voters voted Remain out of a total number of voters of just under 3m.

In total, 17.4m voted Leave. Take off 1m Scottish Leave voters = 16.4m for Leave. Take off 1.7m Scottish Remain voters = 14.5m for Remain.

Not much change really.

 

[oxymoron]

What's happened? My liberty isnt being impinged by the EU.
Employment at an all time high.
Sure we have issues, but they are not of the EU s making.

There is no gold at then end of the brexit rainbow.

How do you know this ? Trouble is no one knows for sure its all opinion and heresay and for every single opinion\forecast there are 10 opposites , so as you are fond of saying ,, oof

 

[Hacker Khan]

How do you know this ? Trouble is no one knows for sure its all opinion and heresay and for every single opinion\forecast there are 10 opposites , so as you are fond of saying ,, oof

The same way we know there will be an EU army.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

On a slight tangent, does anyone have the figures which show the how the EU referendum results would have looked were Scotland not in the UK?
Just a bit of fun really, I heard an article on Radio 5 the other day where they had lots of Scottish independent supporters saying Scotland would be back in the EU if the UK were ever to leave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resul...European_Union_membership_referendum#Scotland
Just a click away.
An additional 600,000 votes for remain in the UK.
62% to 38% voted to remain.
Every single district voted to remain.

 

[Fade and Die]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resul...European_Union_membership_referendum#Scotland
Just a click away.
An additional 600,000 votes for remain in the UK.
62% to 38% voted to remain.
Every single district voted to remain.

I pity the poor sods in Banff and Buchan 😁

 

[Old Skier]

I don't think anyone can rely on the US right now and it has nothing to do with reneging on commitments.
Look at the Kurds who helped US in their struggle against ISIS right now.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the fact that the UK were also supporting the Kurds with both air support and boots on the ground and have withdrawn. Or is this just a Trump rant.

 

[Old Skier]

I think it is naive to suggest that the USA was not behind the UN and the intelligence gathering that caused us or rather to be pedantic Gibraltar to impound the tanker.

The intelligence may have come from the US or us but we acted under a UN resolution. Are you suggesting that it should have been ignored even though it has since been proven that the tanker was sanction busting.

 

[Taz]

All signs are that Labour is now moving towards a position of saying there has to be a second referendum BEFORE an election. Incredible if true. But given there isn't a deal to have a referendum on, how would it solve anything? Frit, frit, frit. They know they would lose.

 

[drdel]

Barnier has now said his brief has run its course so no more schedulled debate and any resolution is now political - wasn't it always?

 

[ColchesterFC]

All signs are that Labour is now moving towards a position of saying there has to be a second referendum BEFORE an election. Incredible if true. But given there isn't a deal to have a referendum on, how would it solve anything? Frit, frit, frit. They know they would lose.

With the numbers in the HoC could the opposition parties get together and introduce legislation to hold a 2nd referendum? And if so is there anything that the government could do to stop it or to force a GE instead?

 

[ger147]

With the numbers in the HoC could the opposition parties get together and introduce legislation to hold a 2nd referendum? And if so is there anything that the government could do to stop it or to force a GE instead?

Probably not, unlikely the rebel Tories would support the opposition to do that. The government no longer has a majority but neither does the opposition as the rebel Tories are likely to continue to side with the government on certain issues, so on any give day and issue, who has a majority depends.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Barnier has now said his brief has run its course so no more schedulled debate and any resolution is now political - wasn't it always?

Yup, it's mostly been one long exercise in maintaining political power on both sides and arguably very little actual proper negotiations. And it would be no surprise to anyone if it ends up in the worst possible outcome for (the majority of people in) the UK and EU.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Probably not, unlikely the rebel Tories would support the opposition to do that. The government no longer has a majority but neither does the opposition as the rebel Tories are likely to continue to side with the government on certain issues, so on any give day and issue, who has a majority depends.

So if I'm understanding you correctly what you're saying is that we're totally screwed and the chances of getting anything sorted one way or another are pretty much bugger all?

 

[Hacker Khan]

So if I'm understanding you correctly what you're saying is that we're totally screwed and the chances of getting anything sorted one way or another are pretty much bugger all?

You only just cottoned on to this? You could argue we've been like this since the morning after the referendum when it suddenly became a political psycho drama in the UK.