Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

NI is just a tax. It is loosely related to pension rights. It does not build up an NHS entitlement, a right which applies to all residents in the UK: as the NHS budget is met from general taxation.

There are millions of old people paying tax in the UK who could not afford the choice of moving to Spain for a 'better' cheaper life style - I have some sympathy with those at the margin who are caught but not a lot I'm afraid.

Sorry but that's a poor response. For NI also include income tax. Pretty much everyone I know out here didn't work out here but worked in the UK, choosing to retire out here. And some of us, due to who our employers were at sometime in our working life, still pay UK income tax. Your post also makes no mention of the reciprocity offered by the Spanish govt, i.e. to maintain the status quo. Perhaps all those Army, Navy, Air Force, Police, NHS, Fire Service, Civil Servants etc who are retired abroad but who are paying UK income tax should tell HMRC to get stuffed - its not a small amount. If we pay income tax in Spain we can access the Spanish health service but we have no choice where our govt sponsored pensions are taxed, hence no access the the Spanish health service without paying extra.

 

[Taz]

Robert Peston

@Peston

I wrote this morning about how the 21 expelled rebel Tory MPs had blocked a parliamentary coup planned for today, when opposition parties had wanted to use Standing Order 24 to give them the power at any time before 31 October to reinforce the Benn Act and prevent...
Boris Johnson forcing through a no-deal Brexit at the end of this month. I've subsequently been contacted by former members of the 21 insisting that they are no longer members of the 21, that they would have backed the coup, and that there is now a clear split between... "Brexit wets", who harbour a residual hope that Boris Johnson will welcome them back into the party in the coming weeks, and a breakaway group of anti-Johnson ultras who are set on running in the coming election as independents or have decided to leave politics. So...let's have no more than of the rebel 21. By my calculation it's now 15 Brexit wets and 6 anti-Johnson ultras.

 

[clubchamp98]

Sorry but that's a poor response. For NI also include income tax. Pretty much everyone I know out here didn't work out here but worked in the UK, choosing to retire out here. And some of us, due to who our employers were at sometime in our working life, still pay UK income tax. Your post also makes no mention of the reciprocity offered by the Spanish govt, i.e. to maintain the status quo. Perhaps all those Army, Navy, Air Force, Police, NHS, Fire Service, Civil Servants etc who are retired abroad but who are paying UK income tax should tell HMRC to get stuffed - its not a small amount. If we pay income tax in Spain we can access the Spanish health service but we have no choice where our govt sponsored pensions are taxed, hence no access the the Spanish health service without paying extra.

I would have thought the UK government would welcome an agreement with Spain.
But would the EU allow such deals .?
As it would make Spain more agreeable in the Brexit negotiations if it knew its citizens here were protected.
That’s a missed opportunity imo.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I predict the laywers will be cashing in again on this, appeal after appeal
Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
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latest Brexit court ruling here - Scottish courts turn down an attempt to force PM to ask for a Brexit extension https://

Are sure about that last line, check the ruling.

 

[Foxholer]

Are sure about that last line, check the ruling.

A pretty rare event imo, but Doon is correct! (At least in pointing out an error in SB's post!)

 

[drdel]

Sorry but that's a poor response. For NI also include income tax. Pretty much everyone I know out here didn't work out here but worked in the UK, choosing to retire out here. And some of us, due to who our employers were at sometime in our working life, still pay UK income tax. Your post also makes no mention of the reciprocity offered by the Spanish govt, i.e. to maintain the status quo. Perhaps all those Army, Navy, Air Force, Police, NHS, Fire Service, Civil Servants etc who are retired abroad but who are paying UK income tax should tell HMRC to get stuffed - its not a small amount. If we pay income tax in Spain we can access the Spanish health service but we have no choice where our govt sponsored pensions are taxed, hence no access the the Spanish health service without paying extra.

Like you I pay income tax on pension income; but you raised the National Insurance issues as been a right accrued by an individual. But it ain't 'insurance' (and, bye the bye, neither do Health insurers give No Claims discount), its all worked on a current account basis...

Finance guru says today in response to a pension question...
"Steve Webb replies: I was very sorry to read about your recent diagnosis.

With regard to the National Insurance system, the way in which the system works is that this year’s contributions paid by workers are used to pay this year’s retirement pensions and other NI benefits (plus a small amount that goes towards the NHS)."

If you live overseas and get a UK pension(s) then IMO any UK tax due should be paid. Access to Health care is a policy agreed between the relevant States; the EU and UK can still agree.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

A pretty rare event imo, but Doon is correct! (At least in pointing out an error in SB's post!)

Nob Off.










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[Hobbit]

incoming-eu-foreign-affairs-chief-153231086.html

 

[Blue in Munich]

incoming-eu-foreign-affairs-chief-153231086.html

Is that the EU Army that doesn't exist... yet. Wonder who they'll need to keep on board to pay for that then?

 

[Taz]

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...e-negotiations/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[clubchamp98]

Someone will be along soon to deny it.

 

[SocketRocket]

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...e-negotiations/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Its not clear who made this statement. I have to say that some of the terminology does not seem what one would expect in a Government statement; however hamstrung they must currently feel with the way parliament is frustrating their attempt to negotiate a deal.

 

[robinthehood]

Someone will be along soon to deny it.

Deny what ? That a man has an opinion.?

 

[robinthehood]

Its not clear who made this statement. I have to say that some of the terminology does not seem what one would expect in a Government statement; however hamstrung they must currently feel with the way parliament is frustrating their attempt to negotiate a deal.

Sounds like something his mate down the pub came up with.

 

[Taz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1181470902439092225

 

[Hacker Khan]

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...e-negotiations/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

With the comment 'we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave.' they have literally become UKIP of a couple of years ago, they are the current Brexit Party but with more history. Turns out the way to negate the threat of their more right wing MPs and voters migrating to a mostly single issue popularist nationalist party was to become one. Funny old world....

 

[Hacker Khan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1181470902439092225

To be fair the inequalities within the Uk are just as stark, very little of which has been due to the EU. It's kind of what happens in an increasingly capitalist society.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Interesting article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49961301 with the following quote about what Labour, who as many have commented on this thread and others, notoriously can't be trusted to look after the economy, are doing. Typical Labour and I for one condemn them for doing this. Corbyn the saviour my arse...

'And all this comes at a time where the institute concludes that the government is no longer taking its own fiscal rules seriously, borrowing more to spend more on public services even as the Treasury approaches its self-imposed limits. '

 

[SocketRocket]

To be fair the inequalities within the Uk are just as stark, very little of which has been due to the EU. It's kind of what happens in an increasingly capitalist society.

Has it been different at some time, there have been differences in local economies as long as I can remember. When was this golden age when we were all well off (Or as Corbyn would create, poor)

 

[clubchamp98]

Deny what ? That a man has an opinion.?

He quite clearly says “we need more troops”
Or the headline does.
To have more means you must have some in the first place!