Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

Court? What court?

'Conrempt of Parliament' perhaps - though I doubt. Or 'contemptuously breaks the law', perhaps.

It's 'Contempt'
Just keeping you on your Pedant toes

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Being pedantic - what we are doing is not the will of the people - it is the will of that subset of the people who want it to happen. My will remains most definitely set against Leaving - though as mentioned - my will is not always the best will for me to act upon.

Maybe it's not the best will for anyone else to act upon either😀

 

[drdel]

Court? What court?

'Conrempt of Parliament' perhaps - though I doubt. Or 'contemptuously breaks the law', perhaps.

My post did not use a capital 'c' on purpose! since there are actions past and present to consider.

 

[larmen]

I really don't think Farage wants to be PM, it would not be a role he is interested in.

People say Donald Trump didn't want to be President either. Doesn't stop them becoming one.

 

[Slime]

It's true. Johnson is ready to ask for a Brexit Extension/Delay. So he's been lying when saying he wasn't going to do that.

That he might find another way of us crashing out on 31/10 does not alter the fact that he has lied to us over the Benn Act letter.

I think they'll find a way to leave on 31/10 and they will be sooo smug and think that they are oh so clever...

So, anyone who changes their mind about anything is a liar .................... interesting viewpoint.

Oh, and 'crashing out'. Hilariously dramatic! I think the correct phrase is 'leaving'.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

It's true. Johnson is ready to ask for a Brexit Extension/Delay. So he's been lying when saying he wasn't going to do that.

That he might find another way of us crashing out on 31/10 does not alter the fact that he has lied to us over the Benn Act letter.

I think they'll find a way to leave on 31/10 and they will be sooo smug and think that they are oh so clever...

You know, for someone who considers himself a fair minded man you take the biscuit.
You know damn well that he would take us out of EU with no deal on 31st, if he could . But Parliament pass a law which would make him a lawbreaker if he did that.
He knows that and so he cannot try to take us out with a no deal unless he is a P rime Minister prepared to break the law.
Exactly what the "remaining" parliament intended to impose on him.
You would be first in the queue to damn him for breaking the law.
Now you accuse him of lying if he doesn't break the law.


Some principles you seem to have !!!

 

[drdel]

I see Macedonia and Bulgaria on the list of possible new members - wonder whose going to pick up the bill?

 

[Backache]

You know, for someone who considers himself a fair minded man you take the biscuit.
You know damn well that he would take us out of EU with no deal on 31st, if he could . But Parliament pass a law which would make him a lawbreaker if he did that.
He knows that and so he cannot try to take us out with a no deal unless he is a P rime Minister prepared to break the law.
Exactly what the "remaining" parliament intended to impose on him.
You would be first in the queue to damn him for breaking the law.
Now you accuse him of lying if he doesn't break the law.


Some principles you seem to have !!!

Johnson knows exactly what the law is and is still repeating the fact that we will come out on Oct 31
He could say we will come out on Oct 31 if the law allows he is not saying that
Either he is lying or he thinks he has a ruse that will bring the UK out on the 31 despite the law.

 

[drdel]

Johnson knows exactly what the law is and is still repeating the fact that we will come out on Oct 31
He could say we will come out on Oct 31 if the law allows he is not saying that
Either he is lying or he thinks he has a ruse that will bring the UK out on the 31 despite the law.

The EU could kick us out, refuse an extension.

 

[SocketRocket]

I see Macedonia and Bulgaria on the list of possible new members - wonder whose going to pick up the bill?

And the rush of free movement.

 

[Backache]

The EU could kick us out, refuse an extension.

Absolutely , but Johnson is not saying we may come out he is saying we will come out. He is either lying or thinks he has a way around the law.

 

[Leftie]

At least he's consistent!

Btw. Yet again, your post adds absolutely nothing to this thread.
So equally consistent!

Ermm. -- ditto --

 

[Foxholer]

My post did not use a capital 'c' on purpose! since there are actions past and present to consider.

Though given 'developments' today, a capital 'C' (and the word 'Criminal') might become appropriate!

 

[Hacker Khan]

The EU could kick us out, refuse an extension.

As we stand now, Germany are happy with an extension so it will happen. All things being equal. Which of course they may not be as we are in uncharted territory most days.

 

[woofers]

The EU could kick us out, refuse an extension.

Well at least it would be conclusive and get something done, because what good would a further extension achieve ?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Well at least it would be conclusive and get something done, because what good would a further extension achieve ?

More time to find a deal in the current political world. Both sides know a no deal would be very harmful but both sides do not want to be seen to be caving in as from Boris's perspective his only aim is to win the next election, and being seen to cave in will dent those chances. And from the EUs perspective they need to send a message out to other members not to try to leave. So more time will allow them to find some kind of compromise that will not be seen as a complete victory for one side (although there will be a lot of spinning to say it is) whilst ensuring a deal is reached.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well at least it would be conclusive and get something done, because what good would a further extension achieve ?

General Election? Second referendum? Revoke Article 50? I'm sure that the EU would be quite happy to give an extension if they thought that it would make us less likely to leave.

 

[Foxholer]

I see Macedonia and Bulgaria on the list of possible new members - wonder whose going to pick up the bill?

I presume you mean North Macedonia, the country, not Macedonia, part of Greece!

NM and Bulgaria have been 'candidtes' for EU membership of EU for an enormously long time!

Between them all, they should make a 'valuable' contribution to the EU. They having been scrapping about (rewriting!) their history for a while and have even exhumied and reburyed one of their their heroes - originally buried in Greece! So, for any that hadn't alread realised, some fierce nationalism in that area!

 

[clubchamp98]

For why? For not getting the UK? It's hardly their fault if they don't understand us.

And most ordinary people will not benefit - and may suffer - from us leaving the EU - especially with No Deal.

My main reason is in 2016 The EU could have offered Cameron some sort of small concessions so he could come home with at least something to show us.
But all they did was tell him to get stuffed.
Not very diplomatic from them as they called his bluff over the referendum and the rest is history.
So yes the EU do share a lot of the blame imo.

Yes agree with your last bit.

 

[woofers]

More time to find a deal in the current political world. Both sides know a no deal would be very harmful but both sides do not want to be seen to be caving in as from Boris's perspective his only aim is to win the next election, and being seen to cave in will dent those chances. And from the EUs perspective they need to send a message out to other members not to try to leave. So more time will allow them to find some kind of compromise that will not be seen as a complete victory for one side (although there will be a lot of spinning to say it is) whilst ensuring a deal is reached.

General Election? Second referendum? Revoke Article 50? I'm sure that the EU would be quite happy to give an extension if they thought that it would make us less likely to leave.

More time.......as if we haven’t had long enough, already had 2 extensions and achieved b all in that time until Johnson put down a proper red line / deadline.
General Election.....Parliament has rejected that twice already.