Remainers are always correct
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Remainers are always correct
drdel
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I see on paddy power it's 12/5 for us on leaving by the 31st October, deal or no deal. Which seeing as literally every cabinet member from the PM down has been saying will definitely happen, has got to be worth a flutter. I mean surely the whole cabinet cannot be so sure of something happening that possibly won't? As if that happens every supporter of Boris will not vote for the conservatives any more as from what I can tell, the only reason they are supporting Boris is because he has promised to deliver Brexit by the end of October. In which case Farage at 14 to 1 to be the next PM looks a canny bet.
I really don't think Farage wants to be PM, it would not be a role he is interested in.
Leftie
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And, yet again Hugh, your post adds absolutely nothing to this thread. Just repeats the same old, same old dogma that you have been spouting ad nauseam for the last few years. Oh. And you weren't insinuating that leavers are mad pigs who you hope will drown, were you? If so, very un-Christian.
Imo of course ................
chrisd
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I was going to write pretty much the same Roger but after some 14,000 posts I think I've come to the conclusion that he is a bit one sided in the argument and I just satisfy myself, when reading his trash, that what HE thinks really doesnt matter one jot 😣
chrisd
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I was in a good mood when I wrote it 😋
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I see on paddy power it's 12/5 for us on leaving by the 31st October, deal or no deal. Which seeing as literally every cabinet member from the PM down has been saying will definitely happen, has got to be worth a flutter. I mean surely the whole cabinet cannot be so sure of something happening that possibly won't? As if that happens every supporter of Boris will not vote for the conservatives any more as from what I can tell, the only reason they are supporting Boris is because he has promised to deliver Brexit by the end of October. In which case Farage at 14 to 1 to be the next PM looks a canny bet.
They aren't sure, it's a ruse. I think it's a bluff but a strong bluff, use of psychology. Seen these 'deadlines' come and go in this Brexit saga before. The law states that an extension must be sought if a deal is not agreed with EU by 19th. Johnson is using pyschology to try and convince all parties that a deal must be agreed or he'll 'No Deal' because he needs and wants it so badly to stay alive, in his eyes it has to be true. Remember he got rid of the naysayers in his party in order for his tune to be carried by cabinet. Funny how when Rudd resigned recently she put the boot straight into Boris having formerly towed the PMs line. Cabinet are in it for themselves until they're booted out, there's no real loyalty. I think it's just bravado from BJ, say something often enough and it'll stick. However he's dealing with experienced deal makers in EU and a robust Irish goivernment, the bluff won't wash there.
Johnson has less than half the electorate on side with him in his endeavours, when he comes out with 'people want Brexit done' it is maddening for those who dont. All polling is showing a stronger remain than leave intention now so things have changed.
He still remains is a very weak position in Commons in trying to get any deal ratified anyway. Only has DUP onside and there's not enough of them. The 21 Tory MPs he's sacked will reap their revenge.
clubchamp98
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It’s only the will of the people who could be bothered to vote!
It’s possible if we had ref2 it might change but where do we stop.
People had their chance to vote and leave won .
It’s just a mess of our parliaments making but the EU have to share some of the blame.
Most ordinary people are sick of it.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I say daft and incorrect stuff so I cannot always be correct
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sorry if you don't get the biblical allegorical reference - it's a pretty well known one. And I'm not sure how I can be un-Christian by quoting (not quite verbatim) from the bible. The demon entered the herd of swine and caused them to become mad and charge to their death. Not the fault of the swine - but the fault of the demon...
BTW - I first saw the gadarene swine allegory in an opinion piece by Matthew Parris in The Times. I don't recall him getting accused of calling Leave voters swine...
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Of course I am - I see little if anything good to come out of leaving the EU.
For most folks I see simply loss of things we have taken for granted for years - and for some a deal of pain and difficulty. So I don't apologise for being a 'bit' one-sided.
I have no gripe with those who have voted to leave. I have major gripe with those such as Joshnson, Farage and in the ERG who have lied and exaggerated for years about the negative impact of the EU on the UK and who have led us into this utter shambles.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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For why? For not getting the UK? It's hardly their fault if they don't understand us.
And most ordinary people will not benefit - and may suffer - from us leaving the EU - especially with No Deal.
Doon frae Troon
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Scottish Law Courts fighting a bonny battle.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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It's true. Johnson is ready to ask for a Brexit Extension/Delay. So he's been lying when saying he wasn't going to do that.
That he might find another way of us crashing out on 31/10 does not alter the fact that he has lied to us over the Benn Act letter.
I think they'll find a way to leave on 31/10 and they will be sooo smug and think that they are oh so clever...
robinthehood
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Tbf it's a mess of the conservative party's making . No one else.
drdel
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So you suggest he acts in contempt of court?
Foxholer
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At least he's consistent!
Btw. Yet again, your post adds absolutely nothing to this thread. Just repeats the same old, same old...
So equally consistent!
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Do you mean Cameron for calling the Referendum? Which, of course was heavily supported by the HofC. He wanted to demonstrates how popular the EU was and end the in fighting the the Tories once and for all. But it just proved that the EU Federalism wasn't popular at all. Labour have flipped flopped over this for years. Only consistent voice has been the Lib Dems. But now we know about their leader's husband and the EU!
Mess? You mean the protracted and massively funded campaign to keep us in? Yes, that's a mess The HofC and Courts ensuring that negotiation (with a body reliant on us to buy their stuff!) can't happen by removing the "walk away" option? Yep, its a mess.
As I said many times before. We are not leaving. We won't be allowed. The implications of that should scare you.
Hacker Khan
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I suspect his ego would take over and he'd be tempted. As let's face it, the recent incumbents have not exactly torn it up so expectations are not that high. Anyone with slightly right wing leanings would rather have him than Corbyn and if his mate Donald can do it then I'm sure he thinks he could give it a go.
And do you know what, personally I'm getting to the stage where I feel the conservatives effectively are mostly now identical to the old UKIP party when Farage was in charge. So there's less and less of a difference between Boris and his band of cabinet acolytes who are there for one reason, which is not their political skills, and a cabinet made up of Farage Brexit party appointees who, assuming he avoids appointing some of the more 'fervent who have said questionable things in the past' ones, I think would be much the same.
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Foxholer
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Court? What court?
'Conrempt of Parliament' perhaps - though I doubt. Or 'contemptuously breaks the law', perhaps.
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