Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Taz
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The US has responded to the EU’s WTO over-ruled move to illegally subsidise Airbus. In retaliation, the US will levy tariffs on $7.5 billion of goods it imports from the EU, notably including Scotch whiskey. Thanks to Brussels favouring Airbus Scotch will be hit with 25% tariffs, up from zero, in their largest market. The US accounts for over a fifth of total global Scotch exports. The whiskey industry wouldn’t be facing this damaging hit if the UK had already left the EU…
Mudball
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Hahaha.. look out for the exemptions coming soon.. remember Scotland is Trumps motherland. She moved to US because there was no EU at that time (thank God)
Taz
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Jeremy Corbyn hints that Labour MPs could lose the whip if they back Boris Johnson's Brexit deal in the Commons 'Deal or no deal they want a Trump Brexit that will crash our economy. No Labour MP could support such a reckless deal' Around 20 Labour MPs are willing to back it...
ger147
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If this current trend for removing the whip continues, the official opposition could soon be a group of orphaned independent MP's.
Taz
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It should have been me..... 
Mudball
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It should have been me.....
Very casual...what happened to that power chain around her neck?
Taz
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It got flushed
Foxholer
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Not the complete story though....
Quoting a paragraph from this article - https://www.ft.com/content/de3f9c12-e3a0-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
'Yet Wednesday’s WTO decision will not be the end of the story. In a few months, the WTO is expected to set out the level of punitive tariffs the EU can impose on US imports, possibly amounting to several billion dollars, in retaliation for subsidies that led to lost sales for Airbus.'
So, effectively, both the US and EU administrations will receive money, via tariffs, from 'the other side's manufacturers, but neither Airbus nor Boeing suffer! Totally bizarre!
Doon frae Troon
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It should have been me.....
She knows that the Tories goose is now well and truly cooked.
Wonder why the DUP absconded today.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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As suspected. Something that seems at first look pretty complex and difficult ti understand.
Yes - of course I am cynical - but we don't have to read far to spot the message the government wants to put over to Leave voters
A Fair and Reasonable Compromise: UK Proposals...
I fear that for many the complexity will be equivalenced with cleverness and the difficulty in understanding the detail and impact on Northern Ireland and Eire will be such that the title will be enough. And so when the ERG and the DUP agree it - and the EU find that they can't - these first five words will have the required impact when blame for leaving with No Deal is being apportioned.
However - I have to say that my initial reaction was positive - in that maybe the government have managed to come up with a clever solution - one not at all obvious or previously considered. And maybe it is. I must read and understand, though what of the rest of May's agreement that some here tell me was terrible I don't know if it is all still there - or whether this mitigates some of the other issues.
I have to also note that the letter itself starts 'There is now very little time...' when all along Johnson and Friends have been telling us when he prorogued parliament that there was loads of time to agree a deal.
Also took some schadenfreudian pleasure from listening to Farage struggling a bit with his thoughts and words rather on LBC last night - as he feared that the government has pulled a rabbit out of the hat that parliament and the EU will agree to - and that - he knows - would probably spell the death knell for his Brexit Party (hopefully).
Yes - of course I am cynical - but we don't have to read far to spot the message the government wants to put over to Leave voters
A Fair and Reasonable Compromise: UK Proposals...
I fear that for many the complexity will be equivalenced with cleverness and the difficulty in understanding the detail and impact on Northern Ireland and Eire will be such that the title will be enough. And so when the ERG and the DUP agree it - and the EU find that they can't - these first five words will have the required impact when blame for leaving with No Deal is being apportioned.
However - I have to say that my initial reaction was positive - in that maybe the government have managed to come up with a clever solution - one not at all obvious or previously considered. And maybe it is. I must read and understand, though what of the rest of May's agreement that some here tell me was terrible I don't know if it is all still there - or whether this mitigates some of the other issues.
I have to also note that the letter itself starts 'There is now very little time...' when all along Johnson and Friends have been telling us when he prorogued parliament that there was loads of time to agree a deal.
Also took some schadenfreudian pleasure from listening to Farage struggling a bit with his thoughts and words rather on LBC last night - as he feared that the government has pulled a rabbit out of the hat that parliament and the EU will agree to - and that - he knows - would probably spell the death knell for his Brexit Party (hopefully).
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USER1999
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But as long as there is a remain possibility on the table it is in the interest of the EU to not accept the proposal.
Taz
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drdel
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IMO we, in the UK, seem to be under the illusion the upper levels in EU/ Brussels want us to stay. Verhofstadt, Tusk, Marcon, Juncker's replacement etc. want to the UK 'tied in' and extract cash BUT they don't want us as a member frustrating their Federal plans. They are quite happy to shackle our ability to operate internationally but not outside their structure and rules but they don't want us to having any voice.
SocketRocket
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This is the crux of the matter. As the Government have been saying, we need no deal as a real option for the EU to engage in a genuine attempt to stop it.
Taz
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Seems that way, their desperation stinks
Stinks no more than the obsession some have with leaving on 31/10 regardless of how close to agreement UK and EU might be (See Steve Baker last night on Newsnight). Not a week - not a day...absurd.
Taz
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so the ERG and the DUP will vote to accept it - even though they might not agree with it - because they know the EU will reject it (as designed by Wormtongue DomCumm) and so Johnson and cronies plus the ERG can blame the EU for a No Deal Brexit.
Though for many Leave voter 'blaming' the EU for a No Deal is daft as it delivers for them what they want. They should be thanking the EU. But as a No Deal break will be anything but 'clean' - it will be a wrenched apart tear - and these are never clean.
Plus put up something that the EU just cannot accept - and then blame the EU for border controls when the UK will have instigated and then finished off the process that will mean that - stinks.
The only upside would be the hopeful extinguishing of the fire burning in Farage and his BP mob - and hopefully the end of the BP
I agree with this up to a point. If both sides, note both sides, say we are one week/month away from signing a deal, then a delay is acceptable. But if neither side can predict when/if a deal is doable, leave. I'm sure both sides will be very focussed if the UK has already left.
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