SwingsitlikeHogan
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I know - I realised I was commenting on the wrong law and so deleted my reference to it - sorry. But my observation remains true I think.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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I know - I realised I was commenting on the wrong law and so deleted my reference to it - sorry. But my observation remains true I think.
SocketRocket
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“While we don’t comment on speculative scenarios, our plans for Qashqai production in Sunderland have not changed,†a company spokesperson said.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Time limit the backstop - interesting
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Does not mean they are not concerned.
clubchamp98
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The default in law was no deal if a deal can’t be negotiated was my understanding.
So the Benn act has changed the law.
It borders Russia. They have sensors on the rail track and at the road crossings which detect sensors on the containers. Its up to the seller and buyer to ensure the goods don't get stopped by ensuring that they have logged the consignment electronically and an RFID sensor on the container.
It was a BBC piece on their evening news and website. They also did a very good piece on all the EU borders, including Turkey, which doesn't have quite the infrastructure yet. They have a concern with Norway about smuggling of luxury good, e.g. alcohol, and fear more smuggling in NI/Ireland.
Also, if you look at the EU's own website they have a project running currently which, if it finishes on target, will see all borders managed electronically by the end of 2024. They are rolling out current technology across the EU, but for some reason its not good enough for the NI/Ireland.
Mudball
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I learnt today...
Q>> When is a hard border not a hard border
A>> When the checkpoint is 5-10miles away from the actual border...
Does that mean, anything in the 5-10 mile 'buffer zone' has been ceeded to ROI/EU?
Q>> When is a hard border not a hard border
A>> When the checkpoint is 5-10miles away from the actual border...
Does that mean, anything in the 5-10 mile 'buffer zone' has been ceeded to ROI/EU?
drdel
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We could do it (there are already some in the UK) but despite it working on their other borders they are dead set against it. Dogma reigns.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I think it actually superseded what was in the Exit Act rather than changed the exit Act - but get your drift.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Or you could say that the Good Friday Agreement reigns...
Think you're right from the UK side but it will still need the EU27 to approve the extension.
But why? I must be missing something. If, as already said by both the UK and Irish govts, the Common Travel Agreement will still be in force, and as Johnson said earlier today trade could be done electronically, what's the problem?
I know its going round in circles but I just don't see the problem. But that's been said countless times.
Old Skier
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It's a problem because the EU want it to be a problem which seems to suit those that insist we remain.
clubchamp98
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Exactly .
This is why it wasn’t brought up in the referendum until we voted to leave.
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robinthehood
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Doon frae Troon
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Nissan are just scaremongering, in all probability they are only looking for LBJ to top up May's bung and lay off some staff without causing a stushie.
woody69
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I don't quite understand what you are imagining, but there is significant infrastructure on the US / Canadian border at the major crossings including checkpoints, areas for marshalling lorries and overhead gantries. Lorries are stopped at the border and there are immigration controls.
woody69
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But there is significant infrastructure for vehicles that cross the border by roads in Estonia / Russia. If the solution is so good, why don't they employ the same for the road crossings? Whilst the UK/ROI may be able to implement the rail sensor solution for rail crossings, it doesn't remove the need for infrastructure and that's the whole problem right?
And the EU have said the backstop is a contingency until a solution is found to remove the necessary border infrastructure with countries outside the EU, such as the one you have outlined on the EU's own website would look to resolve. The problem we have is that is at least 5 years away
SwingsitlikeHogan
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OK - but we knew about this before the vote - we knew how the EU would act towards the border as a solution had to work with the GFA and the SM & CU. We were told by Leave it would not be a problem - that concerns over difficulties in reaching agreement with the EU over the border were Project Fear.
The government can't claim that the EU have changed their position. They have not - they are holding to what they said they would hold to. And for us much as we might complain that the EU have not budged - then it appears we too have not budged that much - if at all - from May's Lancaster House Red Lines - and these were not explicitly set out prior to the vote. It was up to the Leave campaign to at least have an idea of a solution to the border that was compliant with what we knew the EU would not budge on.
Of course the border is a problem - it is complete nonsense to suggest otherwise. In any case - we will see today the government's solution to this non-problem. I suspect it will be a non-solution - a non-starter. But we'll see. It should be obvious to all who care to understand the solution whether it is realistic and so if rejected by the EU whether or not they are simply being obstructive.
I suspect that it will be so complicated that most of us won't have a clue what it means, and will simply follow the line of those we listen to.
And so I am guessing that it will be rejected by the EU; and the Government will walk away saying BAFO - and will wait for the EU to budge; and they won't. And on 17th October there will be no agreement. And on the 19th October Johnson will activate the plan to circumvent the Benn Act. Because that is what Cummings planned all along. And the EU will be blamed for our failure to come up with a sensible and workable solution to the border - and we will leave with no deal agreed - and the EU will be blamed for the No Deal exit - even although many actually want to leave with no deal so they should be thanking the EU. Oh what a tangled web we have weaved.
Looking forward to being proved wrong.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I really don't get why we would propose what sounds like an incredibly complicated solution to the border if straightforward solutions as Bri has talked about are already implemented and are out there. We simply propose these solutions with the evidence that they work. And we will then see whether the EU is being deliberately obstructive and bloody minded over the border.
Doon frae Troon
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The EU negotiators seem to have lost patience with LBJ and cast him adrift.
Going to be a couple of interesting days ahead.
Patel gets cheered by the misguided at Manchester for ending UK citizens right to freedom of movement...sad day for normal human beings.
Going to be a couple of interesting days ahead.
Patel gets cheered by the misguided at Manchester for ending UK citizens right to freedom of movement...sad day for normal human beings.
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