drdel
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Its 'reported' the Remain supporters wish to install Hammond by impeaching the PM - Tories on self destruct route !
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Taz
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Can't see that happen ing.
Hacker Khan
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Hacker Khan
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There's been many names thrown into the hat including Ken Clarke and my personal favourite option John Bercow. As it would be worth that just to see some people's heads explode in anger
Old Skier
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I presume you are talking about freedom of movement in a very small part of the world
woody69
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Quite simply because they don't exist yet. All countries that border the EU that are not part of the EEA have infrastructure at the border for major crossings including checkpoints, areas for marshaling lorries and overhead gantries. Lorries are stopped at the border and there are immigration controls. Whilst there are some technological efficiencies in place, such as the rail sensors Hobbit mentioned, it doesn't take away the fact these border controls are in place and that is the issue with the Irish border. The backstop was the only really workable solution, which the EU suggested sat within the Irish sea. It was the UK that then asked to include the whole of the UK, which is a point the EU conceded when they agreed to that change.
Taz
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So the court case was well worth it then 
Mudball
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Sometimes FB throws up an interesting videos. One where Farag gets pranked.
SocketRocket
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Thats as interesting as PMQs today
Doon frae Troon
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Ireland now basically the lead player in EU Brexit negotiations......…..well that 'taking back control' thingy went well.
Taz
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Jezza the red has described the new deal as ' worse than Teresa Mays '
Thought that would be impossible
Thought that would be impossible
Foxholer
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To (perhaps mis-)quote someone from another political storm...'Well he would, wouldn't he'!Jezza the red has described the new deal as ' worse than Teresa Mays '
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Btw. Who is Teresa Mays?
I've even (almost) forgotten Theresa May!
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I can't find anything about the money and freedom of movement in reports about BJ's idea. Has anyone else?
ger147
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I know this has nothing to do with Brexit but rather than start a new political thread, I thought I would post this here.
There have been countless posts here about Brexit, bashing MP's from all sides and in some cases deserved. This is a wee reminder that each and every MP is also a human being and they are not all lying, cheating scumbags.
I've been an avid follower of politics for many years and this is one of the best, most moving and courageous contributions I have ever seen in the HoC's and I urge you all to watch it.
The MP making the speech is Rosie Duffield MP.
There have been countless posts here about Brexit, bashing MP's from all sides and in some cases deserved. This is a wee reminder that each and every MP is also a human being and they are not all lying, cheating scumbags.
I've been an avid follower of politics for many years and this is one of the best, most moving and courageous contributions I have ever seen in the HoC's and I urge you all to watch it.
The MP making the speech is Rosie Duffield MP.
I heard an MP from the RoI being interviewed yesterday. He was railing against the Johnson plan, being entirely against any form of customs check even if nowhere near a border. The plan was not acceptable to him, he was quite grand about it. The interviewer then asked what would happen if the EU rejected the proposal and the UK left without a deal. 'Oh, there would have to be border checks' .
So, the option is watered down border checks or full on border checks. Perhaps the Irish and the EU need to look at this as a least worst option rather than holding out for something that has been rejected so frequently and clearly that it is obviously a dead idea. The perfect scenario is not achievable for either side, it is compromise time.
. So, the option is watered down border checks or full on border checks. Perhaps the Irish and the EU need to look at this as a least worst option rather than holding out for something that has been rejected so frequently and clearly that it is obviously a dead idea. The perfect scenario is not achievable for either side, it is compromise time.
Old Skier
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Was an exceptional contribution which all MPs should learn from. The unfortunate lady has had personal experience of the problem.
USER1999
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I heard an MP from the RoI being interviewed yesterday. He was railing against the Johnson plan, being entirely against any form of customs check even if nowhere near a border. The plan was not acceptable to him, he was quite grand about it. The interviewer then asked what would happen if the EU rejected the proposal and the UK left without a deal. 'Oh, there would have to be border checks'
So, the option is watered down border checks or full on border checks. Perhaps the Irish and the EU need to look at this as a least worst option rather than holding out for something that has been rejected so frequently and clearly that it is obviously a dead idea. The perfect scenario is not achievable for either side, it is compromise time.
But they (EU) are still holding out for us not to leave, and hence no border. Why compromise, if there is still the slightest chance that by not compromising so, we don't leave.
There is nothing in his letter regarding those issues. The letter purely concentrates on the issue with Ireland. That must be seen as the key stumbling block.
I get that. It is a big game of chicken, played with peoples livelihoods.
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