Foxholer
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Wrong post! I was referring to your reply to mine - post 13157! That's why it was quoted! As for 'resentment'...
. There's none from/by me!
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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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. There's none from/by me!stefanovic
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So the Lib Dems (once more proving they are the irresponsible party) are going to cancel Brexit, in the event they will come to power.
Last person to leave Britain, please remember to turn off the lights.
Last person to leave Britain, please remember to turn off the lights.
robinthehood
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I'd imagine they'll do well on the back of that. Good on them.
stefanovic
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Compared to the loony Libs, Johnson and Gove occupy the centre ground.
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Blue in Munich
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To be honest, that's a bit like me posting up how I'm going to spend the prize money when I win the British Open.
Fade and Die
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For shamelessly ignoring the democratic will of the people of The United Kingdom? Disgraceful comment.
Fwiw (nothing I knowðŸ˜) I think the Lib Dem’s will again disappear at the next GE. The Lib Dems have always been on the loopy side, and they were always dismissed as a protest vote. They are neither liberal or democratic nowadays only popular with washed up politicians, who failed in other parties who make it their home... until the next vote the people get when they will all lose their seats.
Beezerk
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I really don't see how it can work out for them in a GE, are Labour remain as well now? So that possibly splits the Remain vote (let's face it, another GE would be sort of referendum in disguise) you would think even with toxic Jezza at the helm of Labour they'll still retain a fair but of support.
It's mad how the urge for power can lead people away from previous pledges and ignore over half the voting population.
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You only have to look at the European Election results to see that any calls of the Lib Dem’s disappearing will be very wide of the mark, there are millions who want a second referendum and millions who want Brexit cancel - Lib Dem’s promise that and there you go , millions of voters.
Are the LibDems a protest vote or do people vote for them because of their policies and politics?
I'd hazard a guess its both. I'd also suggest that many disenfranchised centre-left Labour voters might switch to the LibDems.... but is it that simple? The LibDems campaigned in 2017 on a cancel Brexit agenda, and got absolutely hammered. Where have the centre-left Labour AND the Labour Brexit voters got to go? Will the disaffected Tory voters switch to the LibDems, and will the Brexit Party steal Labour and Tory voters?
I'd be very surprised in anyone could call it either way. One things is for sure, if history repeats itself, when both the Tories and Labour get it wrong the Liberals, now LibDems benefit. As for those MP's that switched parties, history hasn't been kind to those that's done it before.
Beezerk
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Do you still think BJ will be after a GE should he somehow get us out by the 31st Oct?
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Mate, you really do exaggerate
It was only the will of the 52%, in no vote ever does everybody accept or follow those who win it, the GE will decide if they have or haven’t got a future, but we live in a Democracy and to me that means we don’t silent the opposition or those who think different to me.
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The GE will take on a completely different direction if he gets us out with a deal.
Yes. He doesn't have a working majority. If he doesn't have a GE I'd expect every bit of legislation, including budgets will get voted down.
Beezerk
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That's what I mean, if it goes even slightly tats up after we leave the daggers will be out for him. At least at the moment he still has some form of trump card up his sleeve.
Fade and Die
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Mate, you really do exaggerate
It was only the will of the 52%, in no vote ever does everybody accept or follow those who win it, the GE will decide if they have or haven’t got a future, but we live in a Democracy and to me that means we don’t silent the opposition or those who think different to me.
As I’ve said before though, for democracy to work the losing side MUST accept AND ENACT the result, then they can tirelessly work against it as is their democratic right. It’s the not carrying out the result that is sticking in the craw of a lot of people. Leavers and remainers alike.
And as for it being “only 52%†that’s still a majority...I’m really surprised you’re trying to play it down, remember one of the parliamentary votes was carried by a single vote. But it was accepted. That’s democracy at work.ðŸ‘
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I’m playing it down as much as you big it up.
If an MP believes with every bone in their body that leaving the EU is a bad thing from minute 1 then I genuinely believe they will never support leaving and rightly so.
Genuine question, if the Government can’t get their own party to agree to the deal they negotiated, why should any other party support them?
Remember, both sides in the referendum promised a deal.
harpo_72
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I like that the liberals have set their agenda.
I wanted a choice at the election.
I would vote liberal in a Tory stronghold if I wanted to remain because if I was a Tory, labour would be a step too far.
I think the liberals need to shake off the clegg era.. he didn’t do them any favours and was not smart enough to fight his corner.
What we will get is a hung parliament and then it will either be the Tories and Farage in government.. if leaving the EU is that popular. So be careful about banking on a the 4% majority, the last 3 years has been devastating.
I think labour will be the biggest loser.. they will lose the leave voters and the centre left voters are not too keen on them either ( depending on their leave or stay they could go liberal or Farage)
The battle lines are leave or stay ... this needs determining, all other policies are of no relevance as they cannot be enacted until we leave or stay.
I wanted a choice at the election.
I would vote liberal in a Tory stronghold if I wanted to remain because if I was a Tory, labour would be a step too far.
I think the liberals need to shake off the clegg era.. he didn’t do them any favours and was not smart enough to fight his corner.
What we will get is a hung parliament and then it will either be the Tories and Farage in government.. if leaving the EU is that popular. So be careful about banking on a the 4% majority, the last 3 years has been devastating.
I think labour will be the biggest loser.. they will lose the leave voters and the centre left voters are not too keen on them either ( depending on their leave or stay they could go liberal or Farage)
The battle lines are leave or stay ... this needs determining, all other policies are of no relevance as they cannot be enacted until we leave or stay.
Seems a good interpretation. But I do wonder how many voters will just not go out to vote?
harpo_72
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Yes that is a crucial point the students need to stopping whinging and go down the polling station.
We have all been given the right and we should exercise it irrespective of political views
Also remember May thought she would get a strong mandate to leave when she called her election..
Fade and Die
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I’m playing it down as much as you big it up.
If an MP believes with every bone in their body that leaving the EU is a bad thing from minute 1 then I genuinely believe they will never support leaving and rightly so.
Genuine question, if the Government can’t get their own party to agree to the deal they negotiated, why should any other party support them?
Remember, both sides in the referendum promised a deal.
Mays deal?... that was a dog with fleas, I don’t blame anyone for not supporting it. My preference is for a no deal Brexit then a GE. Wipe the slate and move on.
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